I Am So Mad, Let Me Tell You Why "WP" is DD's Big Scam!!!

The Big Boys

that has to be the biggest scam in the business.

They think just becasue they have a super dupper Launch with a lot of hype they can get rich and the poor unsuspecting masses that actually buy there worthless information will never make a dime. These are the same people that will try and talk bad about the rest of us that try to help pople understand that there are a few good network marketers left in the world. Well I am glade to  be part of the Good OL Boys that will help people to keep from loseing there hopes and dreams and help build them.

Better Weather

Mr Washington I don't believe this is a good time to cross the Patomac. I think we need to just sit tight and wait for the British to come over here after us and the we would have an advatage of cover on the shoreline. You know the weather is bad. If we have to go lets wait for better weather. You say george if we wait there may be lives lost to the advancing redcoats. I have friends and family on the other side of the river Mr. Washington which boat do you want me in?
Your friend Tom

I've Been Lied To, Too Many Times!

We have to wonder how some people can go to sleep at night knowing they live a lie.... And the best part is why would God prosper anything that is built on deciet. Eventually they will be exposed! The Truth will Set Them Free! The resources you are talking about in your article Randy are the building blocks to a financial empire that nothing can stop. The reason we All get involved in Network Marketing is to build a financial wall around our children that will be solid and continue to pay our children's children. There is alot of cleaning up to be done in this industry and its going to take All of us to get the job done!

Excellant Article!

Your Friend For Life,
Jenny Wudtke

just in...........

Just read on Twitter the pre-launch has been extended with a week. What a joke..

I am not ready to either

I am not ready to either endorse or condemn this company. I agree there is much hype. I do not know enough about their services.  I am taking a wait and see approach. I did reserve a prelaunch position only because it was free and they didn't ask for any personal information.

If it turns out that webprosperity provides free capture page building and autoresponders for example, and they are easy to use, and it is included in the basic package, then I would think this program is a real value.  I am always looking for good programs to save my affiliates money.

If it is, as you said, just stuff that you can get for free on the internet, then I will most likely not join.  Note: Even if it is all programs that are available for free but theirs work better and can save me time, then I would consider it, because my TIME is valuable.

Let's wait and see. Control your anger, it's not good for your health:)

I enjoy your content.

Wade

Web Prosperity

Boy  I haven't even  looked at web prosperity and got scared. I am a newbie at investigating the many sources on t he internet for promoting my MLM and products. I am a member of MAGNETIC SPONSORING but have not really sat down and got into it yet. I do agree since I have been on betternetworker  my eyes have seena lot of good stuff but a lot of crap that even a newbie liike me can identify. I find a lot of links on here that are promoting the same ideas and then you have to decide just because they are being promoted ditto "Do they work" MAKE MONEY?

Well now I guess its back to the discernment grind

gogohub

I got cornered by a friend of mine today who know I am in network marketing I don't have to tell you he has got into what I think is a Ponzie scheme. I would like some feed back from some of you who might know about this its called  gogohub and is suppose to be the next google or yahoo. The website and compensation plan is at www.gogohub.com  I am not a member or otherwise just looking for info.(discernment)

Good Grief!

...by subimtting your info to "get in now" you just opted into a huge "opportunity seekers" list...bet me! Take note of the date you entered your info becasue the automated calls are on their way! ...opt out of their list while you can!

I could have not said it better myself...

 Great post Randy...

I noticed lots of people here at betternetworker jumping on the band wagon to sign up for this new pre-launch deal. Not me!

There are many things online that show up almost over nite promoting some new next giant that you must have for more success with your home business.

All one really needs is a good solid company that makes "sense" to begin with and then learn how to market yourself first as a leader who knows what they are talking about.

Take the spiderweb thing that was hot for awhile. Has anyone wondered why its not talked about anymore. Its like it just faded away as quickly as it begun. It was nothing more than the guy who started it building his OWN list bigger so he had more people to market to for his benifit for his deals!

In most cases I too can spot a hyped up program very quickly. Keep in mind I'm human and every once in awhile I let the hype over take my better common sense but in the end I usually am able to save myself.

In my opinion, just another hyped up deal that just is not needed with not much value to give those joining. Just another deal!

Randy, thanks for having the courage to post your thoughts. I'm with you man! Leaders have the courage to speak their mind even though one may take some heat from it for awhile until the smoke clears and one can see clearly again.

To everyones success,

Larry B.

I like your logic Wade

People make decisions based on emotion. You may join something because you got caught up in the hype and you will find out over time it doesn't work. Who's fault is that? Yours. You may join because you've been promised that this system is the best and only thing you need only to find out it doesn't work. Who's fault is that? Yours. You may join because you're desperate and they promise fast money. The fault lies once again with the individual. But the people who will become successful are the ones like yourself, Wade, who use logic to analyze what they are seeing and hearing. Taking responsibility for you ! A pleasure to read. Keep up the good work.
Joyce Penner
http://joycepenner.wordpress.com

Just Curious...

I got into a little debate with someone on Twitter about this as well, but I have to say I wonder if anyone here has actually looked into any of the claims DD makes, or even actually listened to them.

Now, let me go ahead and say right now that I'm not jumping on the bandwagon for this thing, and I'm not promoting it.  But the strong negativity and lack of any sound arguments with backing kind of worries me.  Just as the strong positivity and enormous hype it is being promoted with without an accompanying serious review and a seeming lack of research and knowledge is equally worrying.

If you noticed, the company putting all of the software up is Implix, which is the company that makes the very popular Autoresponder software "GetResponse."  Personally, I'm an Aweber fan myself, but Aweber is more expensive than GetResponse and having tried both I can tell you GetResponse isn't that far behind.  And yes, the autoresponder is included in the $30 package, as well as the $60 package.

I've tested out one other piece of software by Implix and it too was also a very feature-intensive and easy to use item.

Yes, you can get free autoresponders and free this and free that, but the quality between that and the paid stuff is usually night and day.  And trust me, I know my way around software.  So, if you can get some top shelf stuff, all in one central location, for $30 or $60 a month when you would definitely pay more for each item individually at the same level of quality and have the added inconvenience of not having them in one location, it might be worth looking at. 

Unfortunately they don't provide demo access to any of it or anything so I can only go off of the other software that the same company makes, but that was plenty to make me sign up for the pre-launch and willing to pay the monthly cost to get started and check it out.  If the products don't shine you better believe I'll be cancelling because I won't promote something I don't believe in.  But if the products are as good or better than other products of theirs that I've tried, and having them in one central spot puts some icing on the cake then I may go ahead and promote it.  I'm holding judgement until I've got the final product in my hands that can actually be judged.

All of that said, going by my best educated guess, the products likely will be more than worth the monthly cost, which means if there's any kind of income opportunity attached that would only make it that much better.

The difference is, my guess is educated.  Pretty damn educated to be perfectly honest.

Not trying to be a jerk here, I think people on both sides of this thing are going overboard, I just don't like seeing people hate on products without a good reason.  Also, please note that when I look at this company I am ignoring the MLM aspect completely and simply looking at it as a piece (or collection of pieces) of technology (something I know a lot about and get paid a lot of money to consult with people and businesses about). If it isn't something I'd recommend without an opportunity attached,I would never recommend it with the opp attached, regardless of how much money I could make doing it.

Take care,

jM

WebProsperity is a Big Money Saver

So ... all these products are free and anyone offering them for sale is a scam?

Tell that to Aweber, GetResponse, GoToWebinar, etc.

The reality is that WebProsperity's tool bundle save business owners money AND allows them to earn money by sharing it with others.

Autoresponders:
GetResponse will cost you at $17.95 a month
Constant Contact starts at $15 and goes to $150+
AWeber starts at $19 and goes to $149+

GoToWebinar (webinar hosting) charges $99 a month for just 1000 participants.

And that's just 2 of the tools.

Oh, by the way, Implix, the makers of GetResponse, are the people behind WebProsperity. David D'Arcangelo is co-owner of GBG, the company that is changing the way network marketing is done.

But I guess these are just scams ... get real!

Vern
MyWebProsperityTeam.com
gbgHomeBusiness.com

I know What I already Spend On These Tools and it is not $0

I have to say I totally agree with Vern & JonMarc.  I can not be a full believer until I see the finally product for sure but I am willing to grab a spot in a forced matrix and pay for at least one month to see if it is what I am hoping it is.

I to use many other products offered by Implix already and it was because they were tools that worked well to help my business.  So if I am able to get all this in one place for one cost and be able to direct my business partners/downlines to do the same it can save a lot of grief telling them to go get this here and then get this here ect.  I mean really if this is what I think it will be when it officially launches then it is something this industry NEEDED!!!

Do I agree with the extended week until launch?  Well have to say I was disappointed as I am ready to get my business moving in the new year and want my hands on the product but on the other side I guess those who took a vacation over Christmas and feel they missed out managed to whine there way to an extension however I was working over the holidays and did not miss the release of this so I am just ready to get my hands on a great product to help anyone trying to market online!!  I believe this will save many online marketers tonnes of money each month plus give them an additional income stream!!

webprosperity

I was looking through craigslist general post and came upon webprosperity. after listening to the speal and surfing the site for about 4 minutes, I realized, Yep! it`s a scam. what gave it away was the fact that the products listed/offered can be found anywhere on the www. Just another one of the many site bussiness/build it, support, resource co`s out there. Extended countdown? What a joke!

What pisses me off the most is how much money this poor excuse of a man will make, for hardly lifting a finger. 29.00 plus per month? Just imagine how many people are going to sign up and send him their hard earned money. He knows Tony Robbins? So what! We all know Tony hasn`t worked an honest day in his whole life either. Tony is a charasmatic motivational speaker and nothing more.

I work hard to earn my living and it really bugs me that guys like this smuck( I`ve forgotten his name) will take advantage of people and probly have no trouble sleeping at all. This kind of obvious hustle/swindle should be illegal!  bastard!!

Just my 2 cents...

I worte an article a couple of days ago on BN  titled 'Are You Joining Web Prosperity' I wasn't slamming it or promoting it, just using it as an example.

I think the frustrating thing is not the program itself, but the fact that there will be thousands that will jump on board, and put aside what ever else they were promoting. And these same people will probably push aside Web Prosperity when the next big program hits the market.

It's really about staying focused on one thing at a time. If it's Web Prosperity, then stay focused and work that program, so long as the program is viable, and offers real value...don't discard it when the prelaunch for 'the next big thing' comes out...because it will.

I asked a couple of questions and got this reply

My Questions :-

Will we be able to use the tools within WebProsperity to contact and conference with people outside of our WebProsperity downline? Will telephone conferencing be limited to voice over IP or will normal landlines be included? It occurs to me that this may not be possible as the non members would require some client based software to enable them to pick up a conference call or video meeting on their PC.

Will we be able to test drive the system for a few days before we actually have to part with our hard earned cash or do we need to take advantage of the 15 day money back offer in the unlikely event that we decide not to go further?

And their reply (note the change to the programs available between the packages and the info on their web site)

Dear Ian,

Thank you for your reply.

Yes, you can login to the conference calls via ordinary phone by simply dialling a number that will be visible in your WebProsperity back-office after you have upgraded your account to member after the launch.

Joining in on the conference calls do not require the caller to have some special software.

I apologize for any incorrect package information, however these are the correct package details:

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Premium Builder package $29.95/month
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Contact: 3 campaigns + default campaign
Media: not available
Meeting: not available
Finder: available
AddressBook: 200 unique contacts
Calendar: available

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Elite Builder package $59.95/month
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Contact: unlimited campaigns
Media: unlimited files, pictures and documents
Meeting: 200 conference recipients
Finder: available
AddressBook: unlimited contacts
Calendar: available

There will be no free trial period as such, however we do offer a 15 day full money back guarantee so if you are not satisfied, simply contact us within 15 days of upgrading your prelaunch account and we will cancel your account and issue a refund back to the Credit Card that was used.

I find this really strange

I too will be reserving judgement on WP until I am able to review the products & opportunity in full, this is just sensible due dilligence, that should be undertaken before recommending a program or product to others, but what I find really strange is that, is that people are prepared to denigrate the program, based on the notion that its componant products can be found free on the web.  This simply isnt the case, as has been pointed out on this forum.

Where is all this coming from, I just dont get it?

BTW, the program was recommended to me by Daegan Smith, who has my utmost respect, this was enough for me to at least secure a free pre-launch position, in order to see how thing pan out.

An Elevated Blood Pressure Can Be Potentially Dangerous

Randy,

I've been a healthcare professional for the past 37 years and you seem pretty "miffed" right now ... almost as if your blood is boiling.  What possible good is it going to be for you to draw negative attention to some program (prelaunch or otherwise) and cause your blood pressure to hit the ceiling?

Let it go.  Let's face it, Randy.  There will always be an unending influx of crappy, less-than-stellar biz opps and affiliate programs on the internet.  You can spend the rest of your career trying to save people from "MLM monsters and scammers", but that's a pretty tall order, wouldn't you say?  Might take up the majority of your valuable time.  And to what end?  Trust me, there's no reward in it at all.

None whatsoever.

I understand you care about others.  So do I.  I'm a "Yellow" personality.  But why not spend your time more productively (and PLEASANTLY) on activities that will build your business?

Don't concern yourself with what others are joining or participating in.  Focus on sharing what's wonderful, rewarding, and lucrative about your own network marketing business.

Have a Magical and Meaningful New Year,

~Melanie

Who Has Used Product Then? No One.

I personally won't refer a product I haven't used. I opted in to see and test before referring. That for me is business integrity because one can say, "well, so, so I know, very reputable refereed me and.."

Yes, but our leads don't know this person except through ourselves and hence, the pointing will go back to ourselves not so, so. It is I feel best to look at big picture, test it out, make an opinion but never refer what we haven't used.

Why? Trust is why. You come to me and say, "I found a really great book BUT I haven't read it yet, BUT so, so I know, told me it is," I'd look at this person and say, "Take a hike. Is that how you bring me any information, opportunity? Is this how you do business? Is this the level of your foundation called integrity, character and trust based on?

See what I'm getting at? There is a quote and I just can't remember who said it but it says this:

In business, (the desire  to control others) is often exposed in advertising that entices people to want what they don't need....."

And trust is a major factor because..

"Without trust, words become the hollow sound of a wooden gong. With trust, words become life itself."

And if someone says, "yeah but I told all my leads that I HAVEN'T tested it out yet but check it out anyway.."

BS! Is what I say. If you care, you'd wait till you test it out and then email leads.

I call it greed and the fear of, "Oooh, but if I don't get in now, I'll lose LOTS OF MONEY and.."

Biggest myth of all time is, "getting in first, now, at begining is great for your business, it's how wave starts."

That's my take. Just people...don't refer me something you haven't used yet. That is if, you value my friendship and trust I've given to you.

If it is great, fantastic, if not, that's life but don't refer what one hasn't used. It's business ethics for God sake.

Thumbs up !!!!

Yes Randy my friend you have my thumbs up for this article.

Thanks for keeping it real.

Your friend for life

David Atkinson

Some great pros and cons here..

Gets the critical thinking caps out of the closet, doesn't it?  That's what I attract to, people not just jumping into every new deal on the block, and taking a moment to check things out, if this trend continues, the profession will be a much cleaner one 2 years from now! 

I was just trying to figure things out...

I got sucked into Herbalife and I detested those cold calls; even when I bought some call me leads. The folks that I called said they didn't remember filling out the form on the internet, they are not interested, and to "leave me alone." I used the 'script' that the Online Business System provided and got nowhere but about 1500 bucks poorer.

Through my surfing adventures, I did find some useful PLR and MMR stuff. I have included it in this directory on one of my horse sites. You want to download the .zip called KEEP. There is some pretty useful stuff there, I have had each file scanned for viruses so they are clean. I am not into joining an opportunity that is very expensive. I got sick of the high subscription fees, ergo I decided to have my own safelist.

People say that safelists are dead, but there are tons of them and mine is the only one that is a non profit. People who subscribe will get a tax deductible receipt, affililates will get a tax deductible receipt on their commissions, so I think this twist on a safelist may yield some good results for my horse rescue. I am not going to announce a pre launch or any of that crap. Pre launch = beta.

I have a friend who is a VP at Apple and he offered me a free iPhone when they first came out. I told him 'no thanks, it is a beta' and he anticipated problems with it which they did have. I don't go for betas in anything except dogs, wolves, cats, and horses. I have to be the alpha in those situations and my animal menagerie coesists peacefully because they know they are all betas!

With this recession and people losing their jobs in practically every sector, I can understand the hard sell and the pre launch stuff. However, people with at least one brain cell will wait to hand over their hard earned cash, or  what they have left of it.

Have an excellent Sunday. It is gorgeous now but a bit cold. I rode my horses early this morning and came home and now I'm going to crash. I get up at 4am when I go to ride my horses. I have 5 and only 2 are trained. The others are off track Thoroughbreds who are still rehabbing from the racing they did. In about 3 more years they will be healthy enough to be retrained.

Be well,

Elle

The authors perception is

The authors perception is his reality. Don't get upset with him, understand him. He believes what he is saying but it doesn't make him correct. He has came to a belief and a conclusion based upon his beliefs.

It is evident that he believes that companies, and people who pay for things like, Go To Meeting and other like products are fools. That is ok for him to think that. It doesn't mean that those products don't have value or that the people that use them are fools. It means that he believes you shouldn't pay for those type of things because you can get them for free.

I wonder if he limits that thinking to just internet things or does he apply this across all aspects of his own life? If so then I won't be putting myself or my family in his car on those free tires, or sleeping in his guest house with the free electrician and the free smoke detectors. That's just me though.

I think you get the picture. It doesn't mean he's correct or that the products don't have value. That is yet to be seen. Most importantly it doesn't make him correct.

Forming unsubstantiated "matter of fact" statements(opinions) like this can actually hurt ones business. Since we all know that he hasn't seen or used the products yet, and that he is pre-judging the usefulness of the products, business, and owners as worthless, then for his credibilty sake he better hope that it comes out that way. Because if it turns out that the products are great and the company is great then people who read this article will have a tough time joining him in any business.

Contempt prior to investigation is one of the most foolish things a person can do in business and in life. Trust me Randy, I'm waiting to see just how good or terrible the products are, then I will give my opinion.

Here is my "first impression" of the company: SKEPTICAL! For this reason:

If the products are good then why can't we see them, test them, or be shown them in a video or have the company use them in their own webinars, emails, or conference calls? This is a big RED FLAG for me.

The piece of advice I can give to anyone is this. "If someone wants you to buy something, become a part of something, join anything, and they are not willing to show you what you are buying, become a part of, or joining. Then don't do it. Because you do not have enough information to make a good decision. It's like buying a car without driving it or looking inside of it. It doesn't make sense!

If they would have used their own products and allowed me to see what it is then I could come to a definate decision. I don't join anything on hype and neither should you!

Ultimately, it is your reputation on the line. If you bring a bunch of people to a flop then it is you who they will never join again. On the flip side if you bring them to something that works and is valuable then they will follow you forever. For me I will wait for the launch to do my own due diligence and let you know what I think after seeing the product in use. As for now I am just "SKEPTICAL!"

Eddie Holford
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Connie Loeschen 

Two points I'd like to

Two points I'd like to make...

1.)  I think when it comes to any product, we have to make sure that we do a proper evaluation...maybe get together with a couple of other people to do a trial period and then compare notes, then make a decision as to whether to actually PURCHASE it for an extended period of time.  We may have to pay to try it for a month or two...but before going out and putting your name behind it...hyping it to everyone you know on Twitter, Facebook, etc., etc., you'd better KNOW it is good and it can work! 

2.) Too many people are losing their credibility because they jump on to every new thing that comes around!  They just hear the hyped up elevator pitch and then they go and tell 100 other people.  They don't really know anything about it.  Too many people are jumping on board with these things out of "DESPARATION TO MAKE MONEY"...they are coming from a lack mindset and will jump on anything that claims that it will be the next SUPER PILL.  Is that a sign that you aren't making money currently?  COULD BE!!  Does it make you look like a flakey resource--YEP!  We have to develop the proper mindset or we will surely be played for suckers....there are a million of these things out there!

For me personally...there are so many, I am becoming NUMB!  I don't even pay attention.  If I am looking for tools, I'm going to go to someone that has truly established themselves as a valid resource, by proving they know what they are talking about.  I will ask them what they would recommend...A great place I would start would be right here---Mike Dillard, Raymond Fong, Ferny Ceballos, and so many more who have PROVEN they know what they are talking about.

Whew

I was curious about your article Randy and read all of the comments!  I'd say you hit a real nerve.  For all the newbies that may be stressing over all of this, Pamela has a good point check with the pros from here.  Also check with your local BBB and AG.  Do your own homework.  In one of the comments someone indicated that you can get what this company proposes anywhere on the web.  Are they competitive?  No matter what, remember the final decision is yours.  Be a leader and make your own decision not based on opinions, but based on your own research.  Yes, there are scams out there and they always will be. 

My applause to all of you who commented.  Lot's of food for thought in these comments.

Just want to say I

Just want to say I appreciate that you are watching out for all of us.  Being a new member of BN, I am finding many concerned, level headed, w/o hype  people.  I feel a confidence that you all have everyones better interest in mind.

Thanks to all of you!

Lynn

Great advise Melanie!

That was such a nice message. I just had to comment on it and say thank you. I feel my blood pressure dropping already. :) You're right on some of what you say, and I do believe that calmly sharing the truth with people and teaching them things that potentially protect them from being hurt has it's rewards too.

I will keep an eye on my delivery next time for the sake of my health.

Thanks again.

Your Forever Friend,

Randy Enman

I appreciate your comments Eddie

The way you laid it out in the first part of your comments gave me a good laugh and brought a smile to my face. That was pretty funny!

I don't have any free cars, or smoke detectors, but I have done my own electrical work AFTER obtaining the knowledge to know how to do so.

I think it's important we learn how to do a few things on our own in our life. I only checked this out after a friend referred me to it and asked my opinion. Because of what I've learned in the past, I didn't have to wait to test drive the vehicle to know it was built on a faulty chassis. I could tell by looking at the exterior that there were inherent flaws in the delivery of the product from the very beginning. Trust me I'm no fool. I can tell when someone's trolling for sucker fish, and personally, I'm not falling for the bait. And I already know that big flash in the pan pre-launches and hyped up crap like this distracts people from real money creating activities, may yield returns for some, but ultimately also hurts a lot that get sucked in by the hype and hardly make a dime.

I can appreciate why you would be skeptical and have to agree with everything you said regarding that.

Thanks again for the input.

Your Forever Friend,

Randy Enman

My Two Cents

There are a lot of interesting comments in this post which is great to see.

Personally one of the things I am not comfortable about with WP, is that you do not get to look at or trial the package. You sign up for the prelaunch, and once the project is launched, you have two choices - hand over your credit card details or walk away. 

If WP is as good as it was promoted to be, then why would you not offer a 7 day or 14 day trial?

For those that signed up to it, I wish you all the success.

Mark