Nice Try Numis Network, I prefer Bullion!
Company: Numis Network
Read More: All The Financially Savvy Network Marketers Laughed When They Heard They Were COLLECTIBLE COINS
Buying collectible coins in the type of financial Armageddon we are in sounds insane, doesn't it? I mean seriously, wouldn't it make a whole lot more sense to just buy bullion and capitalize on the movement of precious metal prices as this economy goes down the tubes? If people are shooting at each other for canned goods and supplies, wouldn't you rather have something you can barter with?
As always, the devil is in the details
Numis Network is a gold and silver COLLECTIBLE coin network marketing company. They promote graded government issued gold and silver coins. They do not even sell bullion. The biggest question I had was, would you ever want to buy collectible coins in this financial apocalypse? The answer is, it depends.
An Interesting Question…
What would you rather have? A residual income that comes in monthly, Or speculate on a capital gain? With bullion you CANNOT legally make a residual income. Many companies, since the 1980’s have tried to do bullion in an MLM, it has failed 100% of the time. So, if you want to know if you should buy bullion or look at Numis Network, here is how you can tell:
- If you have plenty of money to last you the rest of your days and/or you do not feel like adding another stream of income, you are probably fine simply buying bullion. I also want to say congrats to you for being this financially stable, not too many people are in this category.
- If you are more like me, still have a few bills to pay and put food on the table and actually like the idea of making an income, you might consider Numis Network
But Ray, I can make money doing other things in mlm!
OK, I gotcha, however, let’s assume you DO believe that the world is getting worse off than better and the strength of the US dollar is getting worse, not better. Even though you proudly prefer bullion over collectible coins (like I do), what would you rather have and do in an apocalyptical society?
- Have a garage full of antioxidants and continue to attempt to sell premium priced juices, bars and shakes in a society that is storing up for canned goods? Or, have collected graded gold and silver assets that will always have a value?
- Be promoting a technology product (that gets cheaper everyday or is now free) or have more gold and silver assets that have appreciated in value while the economy tanked?
- Have spent all your cash to simply invest in bullion versus spend money from a residual income you have created to buy bullion?
One of the reasons I do Numis Network is we have the ONLY mlm product you would want in a crushed economy. As you see the price of gold and silver continue to soar, more and more people will gain interest and Numis has the ONLY legal way to create a residual income with gold and silver. People ask me what Numis Network will do if silver goes to $1,000 an ounce. The answer is, I might sell some of my coins. Might I bust my graded coin out of its package to buy an acre of real estate? Perhaps. Try doing that with any other product in MLM.
Agree with me or think I am WAY off base? Tell me your thoughts quickly at the bottom of this post!
Ray Higdon
rayhigdon@rayhigdon.com
PS: DId you know if you had bought collectible coins vs bullion the last 20 years you would have actually made more money? Check it out
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Comments: 37
My thoughts
Hey Ray..thanks for sending me this. It's insightful yes and I think you make a lot of valid points which I agree with ..But I have one question to ask:
Why does every MLM'er who doesn't sell health products assume that we have a garage full of juices, bars, shakes..etc?
I mean...I know it probably happens...actually I know it does. I know someone who has a garage full of custom vitamins specifically formulated to her DNA which she can't do anything with ... :) BUT really....the reason many people who are in a health related MLM understand that you have to actually take the vitamins, blend the shakes and drink the juice to get any benefit out of them....don't consider all those people so stupid to just buy stuff only to never use it or to not see any value in it. I'm really tired of hearing that all the time.
I just find it funny...that every one not in the health industry assumes other who are have this big garage full of useless junk.
Anyways...re: the coin stuff I do agree ! Tracy
Bullion
This is awesome Ray. If people will just get outside their box and understand what your explaining here it's a no brainer. People need to also consider that Gold and Silver will always be valuable pieces to barter.
I do!
I was in a juice business for 2 years, maybe I am the only one that filled my garage with it =)
Good Point
Ray: I don't think you were knocking other companies, you were just stating what a lot of us hear about "having a garage full of whatever". Gold and silver will always have a value and there is no competition in the NM industry. No matter how good products are from other NM companies, there are sooooo many out there that the competition is fierce, and add the retail non MLM to it and you have much more!
Just Thinking...
Hello Ray, I love the post. I actually explained a few of your valid points over the phone last night! Also, your not the only one who has had a garage full of stuff or their wouldn't be sayings like...Buy a lot and let it Rot. Go! Go! Go!
Bullion
Hi Ray, Great post and will show it to one of my Mastermind Group members who collects silver bullion and thinks I'm overpaying for MS70 coins.
You are right Eric
I really wasn't knocking other companies, I can understand being defensive though, I was simply asking which, if you had to choose, would you prefer to have more of
Hi Ray: You are right on
Hi Ray: You are right on there is certainly a disconnect with people who collect bullion and people that collect numismatic coins. Educating people and showing the difference and letting them make the choice empowers them. Great column.
Butch Robichaud
My garage
I dont think anyone actually has a garage full of other products.I dont think thats the point,the point is I actually want a garage full of graded coins and that cant be said about any other product.
Is it an either/or situation?
Why not do both? I think Numis is an amazing company and -- if I weren't focused on my personal development business -- that's probably where I'd land.
But, I think most people who are buying bullion for "preparation" or "in the event of economic meltdown" would probably argue, "Hey, if the system melts down, there's not going to BE any residual income. Because the last thing that anyone is going to spend their limited income on is numismatic coins."
Meaning, if suddenly the American dollar went into hyperinflation and people were faced with the reality of having to buy a loaf of bread for $150......well, the MLM industry is probably going to disappear overnight. That's not an environment in which people would be recruiting, enrolling and paying for an autoship of any kind.
So, in THAT scenario.....the fact that Numis has a residual income is probably a non-issue. However it's a GREAT point for people right now who are looking for a way to make money from home offering something that everyone wants.
I think it's inevitable that the economy is going to "hit the fan" and we're all going to be dealing with some very complex financial/social issues in the next few years.
Anyone who's preparing for that has to basically educate themselves and predict exactly how "bad" they think things will get. Will it be just financial inconvenience and super-high inflation? Or will it involve food shortages and fending off looters?
After a lot of reading and study, I arrived at a mid-point position. In addition to preparing for the possibility of disrupted social services (water, electricity, etc.)......I think smart people are converting their dollars into a form of wealth that will increase in value. For me, that's buying bullion.
So, I have both. I love my MS70s that I bought from Numis. Certainly if silver does what I think it will do, I'm thrilled that I've got those coins.
But if I could offer any advice at all -- not just in an MLM sense -- it would be this: buy as much silver as you can as fast as you can. Even if all you can afford is a single coin. It's a start.
Numis is a great way to buy some graded silver AND earn enough extra money to buy bullion, too. :)
Great article, Ray!
Bullion = Insurance
Bullion is simply INSURANCE against the apocalypse in the domestic/global economy. It will help you weather the storm and ride the immense wave of wealth transfer from those that don't have bullion to those that do.
You can obviously by much more bullion (INSURANCE) with the same number of today's dollars than you can collectible coins. So, collectible coins are an incredibly STUPID investment/purchase to make even if it has a business opportunity attached to it.
One measure of a good product in any MLM is whether you would actually buy the thing/service if it weren't attached to a business opportunity.
In the case of Numis Network and their collectible coins, that would be a resounding, NO WAY!!!!!
Buy bullion people, and find a business with a product or service you will actually use regardless of it's money making potential.
STAY AWAY FROM NUMIS!
Re: A garage full of Junk
Tracy,
I am in Numis, The reason I say that is because I lived it. I have thrown away between $1,500 to $2,000 dollars worth of product that I did not take. There is a long list of reason why I did not take them and not one of them has to do with the product being a bad product. So when I bring this up it will hit a nerve with others who have done the same thing. It hits on a past pain that they experienced.
Marty
LOL
Thanks Matt!
I think you meant "buy" not "by"
I don't pretend to be smarter than the market, perhaps you do Matt. Numismatics is a $100 billion a year or $11 million an hour industry.
People have been buying collectible coins for a real long time before any mlm was introduced. I sure wish Grandma and Grandpa would have collected a graded gold or silver coin each month to pass down to me, that would be awesome.
Curious where you buy your bullion from Matt? I buy a pretty decent amount, course, I buy it with the residual income I make from Numis which is a little more leveraged way than most to do it. I have found most that scream bullion have never actually bought any.
Is there an mlm product out there that makes more sense that carries any level of INSURANCE than Numis? Just curious...
Thanks Tony
Tony, that is exactly what I am doing, and, what I suggest to others. I take a percentage of the income I make with Numis and buy bullion with it. Miss ya brother!
Numismatic Industry
Hi Ray, I agree that Numis has an exceptional product and business opportunity. The numismatic industry is here to stay and I am grateful to Numis Network for introducing me to numismatic coins. Of course, people will decide for themselves which products and services they value as individuals. For many, health is a high priority. Numis Network is a innovative category creator in MLM, but it's still only one company in the network marketing industry. I love getting my silver numismatic coin each month and being part of this exciting business. We don't have to criticize other MLM companies to make Numis look good. The products, leadership, training and support are among the best in the industry!
Thanks for all your insights and training on network marketing and Numis Network.
Just a little side note to your comment.
Matt, people's opinion come in all sizes don't they?
I agree that if I had extra money or 'wealth' to transfer to silver bullion that would be awesome. Fact is, most people don't have enough income to even consider purchasing bullion. I am 1 of the 20+ million people that have no job and I need a way to make money so that I can eventually buy bullion gold and silver.
My grandfather collected numismatic coins for over 30 years (and yes even ms70 silver eagles) and never purchased any bullion of significance. My point is that people do buy collectible coins everyday in every country across the globe. HSN sells more than $10 million a month of numismatic coins including the same coin that can be collected from Numis. They have been doing this for years, even before Numis.
$10 billion a year in the US and $100 billion world wide industry tells me that these types of coins are currently being purchased without the income opportunity attached to it.
I value all opinions on the subject. The simple truth is that many people like me have always wanted to get into the MLM industry but could not find a product/service to stand behind. Selling $50 juice or $1000 personal development course seemed absurd to me, but despite my opinion the fact is that someone will join a juice or personal development company today and within 24 months will be making more money than any Doctor or Lawyer without the crushing debt attached to those degrees.
To each there own, but I have never told anyone to 'STAY AWAY FROM YOUR DREAMS'.
Thanks for listening.
Great job
Well said Sean, I did not intend to bash other companies and certainly would not tell someone to stay away from another company whether I agreed with the product or not, again, well said Sean
Great Article
I agree. Get yourself into Numis and with the money you make, you can then invest in MORE bullion. Win/Win!!
Matt
There are a lot of excellent business opportunities out there that provide something of value to their members, the problem is competition is very competitive and the majority of the products are consumable.
At least with our opportunity we have something that will always be an asset & a collectible. Ray makes a lot of sense you on the other hand don’t.
Bullions = INSURANCE...It's more like a Cycle
@Ray,
I couldn't agree with you more. I have been investing in Gold/Silver Bullion since the end of 2007 and I have to say, I have been extremely happy :). I don't know what Matt was talking about, but having a return of 64% in Gold and 128% in Silver the past 2 yrs, doesn't sound too much like INSURANCE..lol It's funny how people give out investment opinions, rather than state facts. I love the fact that there is now a legal way for the average Joe or Jane to legally market Gold & Silver. I like you Ray, will take a percentage of what I make in all financial vehicles (Numis being one of them) to buy bullion because I do not like using my spending money to buy bullion. This is how the RICH play they game..They buy assets to buy more assets until their cash flow is so sick that they can buy their doodads...Matt, if you don't know what a DooDad, recommend reading for you would be Robert Kiyosaki's Rich Dad Poor Dad & The Cash Flow Quadrant, and I think you will get what Ray was trying to address? Sometimes our eyes and ears, don't see what the mind can see? If you trained mind to look for profitable opportunities or trends, we would not be having this conversation.
Great post Ray!
Soumangue
I did mean "Buy" Bullion
Thanks for pointing out the typo...
I am not smarter than the market, but I do have an idea about what the market is telling me through timing and wealth cycles.
Now is the time to buy bullion not numismatics if you hope to even have a chance at getting a substantial amount of wealth transferred to you in the upcoming months/years as inflation comes and our currency collapses.
At least we agree buying bullion is a good idea :-)
I do buy bullion so please don't go high and right on me.
I buy mostly from local dealers in bulk with a negotiated spread.
This saves a ton of money on shipping and insurance which is always included from places like www.kitco.com
I also buy and store bullion overseas through www.goldmoney.com
And, I have bullion stuffed away in multiple retirement accounts stored in secure locations throughout the U.S.
My whole point is don't go into this business with the idea that you are actually protecting yourself by getting a numismatic coin shipped to you every month. Buy 3 bullion silver coins instead.
Hey, if you want to build a business with Numis and you can accept the fact that the $99 numismatic coin you are getting every month isn't going to help you much in the coming currency collapse then go for it!
Another way to look at it is that you are paying 3 times as much for the same INSURANCE.
I know of one bullion MLM that has been succeeding in the US for a very long time now and there is one coming from Europe that owns its own gold mine, refinery and distribution network. So, I do believe there are better business alternatives to Numis when it comes to providing INSURANCE.
Interesting things happening huh?
It is very interesting the things we see online. Today one of the goldsilver "gurus" upload a video on his site making fun of gold and silver "Pyramid Schemes". He even call suckers what we call prospects. He is just full of good information but I think he is very ignorant and unhappy because of the way he describe our industry and express himself. This doesn't mean he doesn't have my respect. Of course he does! But at the end of the day buying bullion will give me big bucks only IF the economy go down. In a bad or good economy numis or ANY Network Marketing business will give me money. I am the first product and my second is gold and silver from numis :)
It is even more funny that the very same guy who recommend him as a bullion expert is one of the best marketers in the home base business area and he agrees that numis is a good biz opportunity for today state of the economy. Jummm...
I'm buying both!. Period.
Numismatics as an mlm product will never get rot inside my fridge, and bullion will NEVER give me residual income.
Deal with it haters :)
P.D.
Matt,
Reading your profile here on bn.com I found very interesting that you said this...
"Becoming a network marketing business owner is an excellent first step in owning a business that can create cash flow and a residual income stream that will help me and my family reach our goal of financial freedom."
LOL!
Then you comment on Ray's article Stay away from Numis? (in upper case letters?)
WHO CARES IF IT IS NUMIS OR ACAI MOON SUPER DUPER BERRY JUICE?
May be Numis is not for you, but no body is qualified to judge those who want to start a NM business to make money, selling "numismatics" or money with a humble goal to invest in "bullion" or money AND CREATE CASH FLOW AND RESIDUAL INCOME TO HELP OUR FAMILIES... like YOU mentioned on your profile...
Let me quote you once again :)
"Becoming a network marketing business owner is an excellent first step in owning a business that can create cash flow and a residual income stream that will help me and my family reach our goal of financial freedom."
I agree Matt!
You are an amazing attraction marketer!!!!
Bullion is not our competition
Matt, I truly believe you are an intelligent person, I really do and I want others that read your comments to think that as well.
You did read the title of the article right?
Bullion is not our competition, others way to make an income are like selling juice, air filters, make up, or working corporate America. We are not an investment company. It so happens that IF you had invested in numismatics over bullion you would have made a better return the last 20 years but that is not the point of this company.
Should I do your bullion equivalent with all companies? (you do believe in the mlm industry right?)
Instead of a $50 bottle of juice should I not build that business and instead buy $50 of junk silver or a less than 2 ounce bar?
As I tried so plainly to state, in very simple terms, if you have plenty of cash, don't want to create an income stream, buy bullion! If you like income (I do), make money, then buy bullion. If you found this article threatening to whatever mlm I'm sure you are a big earner of, I apologize, that wasn't my point, however, whatever your company is, I won't stoop to the lowly level of telling people to stay away from it regardless of my OPINION.
Thanks Ray
Whatever you believe to be the best way for you to collect or buy coins is great. I agree with you Ray. I know a few coin collectors who do not agree. We all agree though that having a collection is great. It is always nice to see how other prople think. Sometimes it makes you wounder and do some reseach. This is always a good thing. Even though I have not done anything with Numis yet! I am proud to say Ray is my leader and always puts fantantic articels and other post. Thanks agian Ray for all you do.
Brian Hoffsmith
Making money in mlm doing other things
Ray...great article!
I have promoted a lot of things in my 26 years in the NM industry and nutritional products were always my favorite as I have been using & enjoying the benefits of them even before I got started in the industry and I have even made some money doing so. I will though have to agree with the fact that if the economy hits the fan in apocalyptic proportions...I would rather have something of value to barter with instead of my extensive baseball card collection or even my nutritional supplements which at that point would have no value for trade.
Now when it comes to graded collectible coins...They are an asset that as mentioned can be passed on to generations I will never meet that have value and is why after a whole year of being out of the NM industry I chose Numis Network over other companies & product categories.
You have shown me by example that a true leader does not tell someone to "STAY AWAY" from a particular company but just share the benefits of creating a residual income by collecting assets so I have the ability to be able to buy more bullion and take advantage of the opportunity to have a hedge against inflation.
Thank you Ray for all you do and especially for showing me how a true leader handles themselves with honesty & integrity!
Donnie Maurizzio - NY
Perfect Explanation
Ray,
Another eye opening post. I have people that have said almost the identical thing to me. I am going to print and study this, so I have great explanations on the spot. Thanks again and keep up your quest to educate us all everyday about how you have become the #1 income earner in the company!
This is an Opportunity
Great article Ray.I have also heard people say that they would rather just buy bullion. Well that is fine and well if one you are independently wealthy or for long term. But how are you going to make money today with bullion? Numis is a home based business opportunity offering the means to build a successful MLM business. This is a great company in an amazing industry. If you can make residual leveraged income with bullion go for it. See you at the top ray...Paul Butler
Bullion MLM in the US??
Did I read Matts post properly? There is a bullion MLM that has been in the US for a long time? Didn't know that. Thought bullion sales were regulated?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
KB Gold huh?
So Matt, I see you're in KB Gold.
You're right in saying that bullion is a good... investment, so to speak. The only problem is... in order to make a significant amount of money from bullion, you need a commodity broker license.
http://commodities.about.com/od/becomingabroker/a/broker_how.htm
Now I'm not entirely sure how KB Gold works... but if it is what I think it is, that you simply buy gold bullion and/or bars and refer others to do the same, then you're most likely buying the gold at a price higher than the spot. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
The thing with Numis Network and the collectible coins... is that they're collectible. And that's what I love about them. They do exactly as advertised. They don't cure any ailments, but they also don't claim to. They don't have perfect call quality, but they also don't claim to. In fact, there isn't really any claims about the collectible coins, other than the fact that they're just MS70. And I've been to a collectible coin show and got a guy with a Ph.D in numismatics to look at a few coins--they're MS70 alright.
The problem with many MLMs these days is false promises of not wealth, but of exceptional goods/services. A juice that cures cancer, a vitamin that cures arthritis, a phone service with perfect call quality... you name it. The issue with the former two is that those claims are illegal no matter how true it may be. And there's no problem with the latter, but good luck getting people to convert from the more reliable AT&T to some unknown company.
I'm not trying to knock any companies, because there are many health companies that are really good (i.e. have ethical and legal business practices) and many (okay, just one) technology company that is really good.
All that aside though, Matt... while I'm all for the exposition of unethical and illegal companies, I believe those are only merited with concrete evidence. You've provided nothing, and it also seems like there is a conflict of interest: are you trying to get people to run from Numis Network and flock to your MLM? The two companies are in the same industry so I'm not sure what you're trying to do right here.
By the way, I can type RANDOM WORDS in CAPITALS too! :P
Bullion MLM's
There have been 8 bullion MLM's that have either closed down or were shut down in the US since 1980. They get popular when gold is hot. KB Gold had their assets seized by a Munich court awhile back but it appears to be gaining some strength in the US, at least, for now. To be honest, I hope they do not get shut down as it gives all of MLM a black eye when that happens but history is not on their side. There are no long standing ones in the US. I think 3 are within a few months old but none that have been around longer than a year.