Sorry Numis - Facts Are Facts
Company: Numis Network
Submitted by Dave Lovett on Nov 3, 2010 3:19 pm
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Here are the facts.
Even though it is Gold and Silver. That’s right - real gold and real silver making it real assets:
Numis distributors will still have to build their businesses. They will have to work the marketplace just like everyone else. No one is going to "roll over" and give you the market.
Just because they have a great product, fabulous company leadership and the richest pay plan in the industry, if someone is going to make money you will still have to go and build a business.
It may be easier for you to recruit and retain your distributors but you still have to recruit. You still have to find people. And, you still have to build relationships. You still have to build your organization. You will not get any residual income until you go out and do something.
Matter of fact Numis – you actually have a consumable product! Think about it – granted it may be the ultimate consumable. Everyone spends almost everything bit of money they ever get. Very few people save even a little. At the end of the month, none of it is left over. So you can say it's not consumable but it is highly consumable.
You can argue about who has the best product MLM. You can argue compensation plans. You can argue leadership, vision, momentum, support, longevity, scope or even personal views.
Every company that grows has to go to work. There are no free rides.
Having gold and silver as the flagship product is almost unbelievable. Who wouldn’t want more gold and silver? Who really has enough gold and silver? Who can argue with the value?
And Numis just doesn’t offer just any gold and silver. They offer the finest highly graded certified gold and silver in the world. Consumers, collectors and representatives are assured of getting the best. and getting real metal.
Regardless, all Numis reps will still have to engage if they are going to make any serious money. Just connecting will build their personal assets but if they want a residual income then they are going to have to go out and build a business.
Having real gold and silver combined as a business opportunity makes the company irresistible. You can get all the advantages of your own home based business but you get the one major advantage of buying and selling a product that has real value to everyone.
Even if you did not build the business but remained active for several years, the worst position you would be in would be to have a lot more silver and gold than you have now. It’s like having a forced savings plan!
The product is right and the product is priced right. All of the gold and silver that Numis offers is priced with the market. That in itself would be a great selling point for the company.
Almost all home based business products are priced above everyone. Numis has a vision to keep their prices competitive with the marketplace. They have done their homework because you can Google any of their product offerings and find them below or at the market; even on Ebay!
Sorry Numis. You may have it all together but you’ll still have to work the business. You still have to have duplicable systems and you still have to have get people out off the couch and out exposing the plan.
No other MLM company is going to “give you” the marketplace – you’ll have to earn it!
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Comments: 24
Sorry Dave, You're Full Of Crap
You don't know jack about commodities. Gold, Silver, Platinum, Palladium.
Numis coins are over-priced.
You could buy a gold or silver coin at spot.
Which is much cheaper than what Numis charges.
If you're going to invest in gold and silver, buy
bulk coins minted by the US or other governments.
Ask any experienced commodities trader or metals
dealer. You buy commodities based on their intrinsic
value. Not some BS classification that marks it as
a "numismatic" coin.
Gold and any other commodity is best valued as a defined
quantity. The only reason you buy it in a coin is because
you trust the authenticating authority.
That doesn't mean that the ounce of gold is worth more.
It just means that the buyer can believe it really is an
ounce of gold.
I am in favor of Numis for helping people invest in real
assets. I just can't support them because I know of better,
cheaper ways to do the same thing.
I have to agree with David Kotecki! Sorry Dave!
I did some investigation myself and I agree with David Kotecki. If you want gold and silver coins for a cheaper price, I found out to go to US Mint/Ebay and you will see most of all the coins that Numis sells, are cheaper. Don't get me wrong, in this economy, it is good to have commodities and assets. But I too agree with David. I spoke with an associate and he has been collecting coins for years and showed me just how the collectible coins and Numismaticswork. After, his explaining and showing me, I would prefer to get assets from the US Mint, it is cheaper. Good Luck to Numis Network and I hope people understand. All I am saying when you join Numis and you want to market the coin, you need to market it and so get ready to roll up your sleeves to market the product and get people to join your company. And it cost $500.00 to join at an executive level.
They gathered around the table
The Chamber of Commerce meeting was about to begin. Each represented a different segment of the whole community. Some owned businesses that sold shoes and everyone knew you could buy cheaper shoes on the net. Some represented restaurants and everyone knew you could eat cheaper if you cooked at home. Some owned electronic stores and everyone knew you could buy cheaper on Amazon. Where or if you could buy cheaper was not an issue for these business owners.
Each of them chose their business based on their own reasons but they had one thing in common. They were all in business and they all chose to sit around that table and work together. They were entrepreneurs.
We too need to sit around that table. We need to recognize, applaud and support other entrepreneurs who choose to invest each month in their own choice of inventory be that coins or vitamins. What's the sense of pointing out to a fellow entrepreneur that you can buy a camera cheaper at EBay than in his store?
So buying coins isn't for you. So what? I wouldn't be very passionate about opening a shoe store either but some people love it !
Each to their own.
Joyce
Dave and Theresa are right...sort of
As an investor in bullion for the last several years, funny how most that post negative about Numis have no idea where to buy real bullion (it's not from ebay). It is real simple on if you should buy bullion or do numis network. If you have tons of cashola, want to hedge against the dollar and DO NOT need another income stream, you are probably fine just buying bullion from a reputable company (did you know up to 40% of bullion sold on ebay is counterfeit??).
However, if you are still like us average folks that have to put food on the table, numis is a way to make an income promoting gold and silver assets. Here's a neat thing most that talk about (but never actually buy) bullion. A 1990 loose silver eagle can be bought all day for around $28. That same coin, certified MS70 sells for $4,000. Interesting...
So yes, bullion, if you are filthy rich and don't need additional money, is a great choice, you can never get paid to promote it without a commodities license though.
Oh yeah, I think I can get every other mlm product on the planet on ebay for cheaper too...interesting, course, numis products can sell 10 years from now, most of the other products will have expired...
Ray (crazy guy that likes Facts) Higdon =)
Crazy Ray Likes Fact's
I like that answer Ray,
I would have to agree with you,
Facts are facts,
Tony L,
The Numis Eagle Networker
I'M A PARTNER WITH NUMIS BUT I SAY DO NOT BUY GOLD
Let me explain,
First of all Gold is at an all time high, that should be your first indicator that it is not a good time to buy gold. All the people selling gold now are pushing it and exploiting the stock market situation to sell gold (selling fear). The reality is this, you should buy counter intuitive to what everyone else is doing, and that is buying stocks right now, because some of the best and most financial stable companies in the world are for sell at rock bottom prices. This is a near once in a lifetime opportunity to buy companies at this level (I say near because this typically happens about once every 20 years but most people are only in the portion of their lifetime where they have the money to take advantage of the dip once in a lifetime).
The next point against gold is this. Gold is a standard, a commodity, if you will, its value really never changes, and simply put gold is what gold is. What you see in an increase in value of gold is actually a decrease in the value of the dollar in comparison to gold. So basically what I am saying, is an ounce gold is an ounce of gold and if gold is 100 and goes to 200 an ounce, all it means is the dollar has weakened; therefore, if you bought gold at 100 an ounce a ways back and now you sell it at 200 an ounce at market rate (these numbers are for example and do not actually reflect current market values) your buying power is exactly the same therefore it can be argued that it is impossible to make money in gold.
The best thing to do is to do what everyone else is not. Since everyone is selling their stock now, I am buying.
Now why do I collect coins with Numis and yet say that I will not buy gold in the market, after all some of my collectable coins are gold and silver coins. This may help. What do you think a gold coin that was in mint condition from back in the day of the Roman Empire would be worth? Very much money right? That’s right an almost perfect coin, the amount of time and its uniqueness make it valuable. You see that’s the great thing about being with Numis 5 years from now I know my product will have value. Do you think vitamins, drinks, juices that you bought today will have value 5 years from now? Well I do not know about you but I do not believe I’m going to try consuming those products 5 years from now.
PS: By the way I make great money with the Numis opportunity and I would like to invite you. But this might not be for you and I understand.
Oh No ...There's work Involved?
You nailed it Ray...totally.
I am NOT A FAN OF NETWORK MARKETING.
As whole.
I speak from experience with 13 years Amway
and 3 with Melalueca.
I was not going to build another NWMing
deal...until I saw Numis.
I've been out of NWMing for 7 years.
Why?
We can compare all day long...but this is a total
NOBRAINER
I like the term ...forced savings program.
That's the minimum you can get from being
a Numis rep.
I do think there are a few companies
with really great health and wellness products.
But you know what...99% of them
can be bought within walking distance
of where I live here in Toronto.
Now my actual passion is health and wellness
but I have no interest in promoting it through
NWMing.
I use some great products myself
since I want to be healthy as I build my Numis program.
And....at 54 and hard core with my work outs
recovery is not quite like when I was 30 or less.
No kidding ehh.
Get your garage full of coins folks.
What?
You buy commodities based on their intrinsic
value. Not some BS classification that marks it as
a "numismatic" coin.
What are you talking about Kotecki?
You should get your facts right before
posting in this Network.
Like Ray...I like facts.
Look deeper Dave.
You seem quite mad about the Numis network.
Interesting Pal.
I was a Numis Network rep
I was a Numis Network rep but I only got involved because my sponsor was going to coach me with another project which never happened but thats for another time. From what I understand about graded coins is you buy them for the "collector" value and not the commodity value. Correct? So if thats the case then buying collector coins one should be well educated in the market of numanistic coins and how to buy and sell. If you don't have any idea how that market works you would find yourself a guppy swimming with the sharks. Now I'm not an expert in coin collecting but I do know that the only way to really make money in any market is to buy low and sell high. At $100 or so for an MS70 silver eagle that can be had for 40% or more less from another vender seems like Numis Network is over priced.
Just my opinion.
What?...again.
Again Jeff...you did not do your
due dilegence Sir.
Not really sure what you are writing
about there.
No...one does not have to be a coin expert
to collect these coins.
Just like one does not have to be
a nutritionist to build a health and wellness business.
It's probably good you did not pursue Numis though.
Good Point, Ray
I like your take on the investment side of bullion vs. MS70 coins. I'm personally not involved with Numis and am in the weight loss/wellness industry but I've been watching Numis and thinking more and more about what the Fed has just done to devalue the US dollar... again. How about the "fresh off the press" money that we continue to print? What's the great inflation investment? Au!
Personally, a portion of my investments were switched over into a few Gold Mining operations because my broker convinced me that buying gold was "fluky" and "Glenn Beckish, over-reacty". These operations fluctuate with gold value so I'd be getting the same benefits without the hassel. Besides, did I want people breaking into my house and robbing me or killing me for the gold because word got out that I have it?
18 months later, those gold mining investments have underperformed at best and now I either take a loss or stick with the sorry current values. And suffice it to say that there are no gold coins in my safe deposit box.
This pro-Numis/anti-Numis argument about the validity of the pricing is interesting. As you say, one can always get cheaper products on Ebay if one is willing to do the research. One can get stuff cheaper at Wal*Mart too; how about yard sales? Just because someone thinks you're better off not buying gold/silver because it can bought cheaper somewhere else does not always flush with everybody. I think that Autoship deals ensure that people make the purchase monthly without thinking. If you're buying money on autoship then you have no excuses like forgetting to purchase, having something else come up that takes priority, etc. In the end, is the value of the gold/silver going to be all that it's cracked up to be? Who knows? That's why it's called speculation. I don't see a lot of difference between buying Numis coins and stock averaging. Over time, the investment always performs. Maybe not 1000% but compare that current CD rates.
If everybody had the financial wherewithal to hunt cheaper products, make better investments, etc. couldn't we all quit our health insurance plans and just "save" that money for the next catastrophic health event and pay the hospital with cash??? I'd say "no" because very few people would have the financial fortitude to really protect that "saved" money.
At least with buying coins on autoship, you get a tangible product that has the potential to increase in value. Also, I guess it's considered a "liquid" asset but I imagine that it's probably not quite that easy to grab a few out of the safe and run to Wal*Mart to get that big screen on Black Friday!!
Who's Full of Crap???
Boy did you miss it!
I love bullion coins.
I love metal commodities.
And, I probably own more than the average person. Yes, bullion coins are best purchased and sold as cheap as possible. You are right.
Collector coins are an entirely different level of sophistication.
I buy collector coins because I love having a collection of nice coins. I don't want some beat up old coin sitting in my velvet lined cases.
The metal content is only ONE part of the coin pricing for collectors. Also there is rarity, interest and condition to consider.
Here's one example: A Collector 1997 MS70 1 oz silver US Eagle is worth about $500. A 1997 bullion 1 oz US silver eagle is worth about $26.
Same coin...Which would you rather have in your safe? Having just 10 of these will pay for 5 YEARS of product to run my Numis business!
It is nice to know that I can have a business with real coin assets coming from the world's leading mints. And it is nice to know that my coins could be worth more but at least I know they will always be worth spot.
People should continue to buy bullion but they should continue to buy collectibles as well.
Good Idea
Good idea about buying from the US Mint!
Go ahead and try it...you'll see that you can not buy ms70 coins from them. They do not sell them to the general public!
BTW, the upgraded cost is $500. The entry level is only $75.
Missing It!
Wow.....it appears to me that there's linear thinking going on here. Numis, any other MLM or any business for that matter is about the movement of products or services.
Numis isn't about Investing in gold and silver. It's a simple business of the movement of highly graded collectable coins. It's bottom line is the same as any business....'Profit!'
The good news is....this product (coin) bought and sold remains of some value forever. Unlike a consumable product that disappears thru consumption or expires due to non-consumption.
In addition, deciding to build or grow a small or large Numis business has the advantage of collecting your coins in reality for 'Free'....let me say that again....'FREE!' Not to mention all of your business tax incentives. 'Duh!'
Also, having had a successful NWM business for close to 30 yrs has helped establish a mind set of what to look for in compensation plans. Most folks miss this. This is very important to understand. Numis founders have taken the disadvantages of a binary plan and turn them around into profitable advantages. If more and more people fully understood this, everyone would be on the Numis train! ~ Michelle Lovett
I'm with Dave Kotecki on this one too...
Collector's coins, in times of "worry" in the market aren't worth more than the actual metal. Numis is a great idea to get amateurs involved with investing (even though gold, historically, has been a TERRIBLE investment) but for anyone who has a clue you can easily go to a broker and buy bullion for cheaper. Just my 2 cents...
Clueless!
Mark & Dave, might want to re-read my post. Looks like the Numis train only stops for those who 'Get It!' Ha! Just to reiterate for the slow ones.....It's not about Investing. However Dave K....you're the one who doesn't know CRAP about coin grading. I guess that ignorance isn't bliss after all!
~Michelle Lovett
I'm glad I came back
Hey guys,
Some of my friends are the highest producers in Numis. Really.
My post:
You don't know jack about commodities. Gold, Silver, Platinum, Palladium.
(Notice I said commodities, not investment grade coins. I don't know jack about coins, and most people don't. Which is why I think it's safer for most to stick to thinking in terms of the metal and weight)
Numis coins are over-priced.
You could buy a gold or silver coin at spot.
Which is much cheaper than what Numis charges.
(If buying for collecting, or in hopes of an increase based on their investment grade status, that' different than buying for hedging your investments or protecting the value of your money)
If you're going to invest in gold and silver, buy
bulk coins minted by the US or other governments.
(Just an opinion of how the average person should look at buying gold and silver. Most are not qualified to decide what a coin is worth. Especially if you're selling it in the future. Also notice I didn't say buy them from the U.S. mint. I said only buy coins minted by the U.S. or other government. I think all the coins Numis sells are minted by the U.S.)
Ask any experienced commodities trader or metals
dealer. You buy commodities based on their intrinsic
value. Not some BS classification that marks it as
a "numismatic" coin.
(Once again, I'm talking about buying commodities and metal. Not investment grade coins that most people should stay away from, in my opinion)
Gold and any other commodity is best valued as a defined
quantity. The only reason you buy it in a coin is because
you trust the authenticating authority.
That doesn't mean that the ounce of gold is worth more.
It just means that the buyer can believe it really is an
ounce of gold.
(Again talking about gold only as the metal, and being sure that it's weight is verified by the mint)
I am in favor of Numis for helping people invest in real
assets. I just can't support them because I know of better,
cheaper ways to do the same thing.
(After this statement why would anyone think that I am against Numis? I just pointed out that I would do it differently because I think there are better ways. And that's just my opinion)
Perhaps I'm slow, but I never claimed to know anything about coin grading. In fact, my whole point is that investing in coins for their investment grade status takes years of study and expertise.
I don't know if ignorance is bliss or not, but I do know that I'm ignorant of coin collecting like most other people. Which is why I think it's safer to stick with coins that are just coins.
By the way, if you buy your coins in a sealed tube as they come from the mint, won't they still be of a very high grade if you ever have to sell them?
In closing, I'd just like to say that I do agree that Numis makes it easier for people to own gold and silver coins. It's just my opinion that there are better ways for me to do it.
Don't think so.....
Dave,
If you had purchased $25,000 of gold bullion coins in the early 70’s and held on to it during the oil crisis, inflation, devaluation of the U.S. dollar, Savings and Loan scandal, recession, tech and internet bubble, cooked books, 911, and a real estate bubble you could sell that gold today for $524,999.00.
If you had purchased $25,000 of limited mintage investor gold coins over the same time line, you could sell that gold today for $1,377,257.00.
Let's not forget! Under the Executive Order of 1933 issued by FDR, gold bullion coins are subject to confiscation by the U.S. government during times of national crisis. And they did just that!
Hmmmm.....
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If you had invested $25,000 in a solid mutual fund in the 70's you would have over $2.3 MILLION dollars...just sayin'
Price Doesn't Matter
In regards to the people saying they can find cheaper. You can find anything cheaper if you shop around or if you find a desperate seller. The fact is, if people are paying a certain price on the open market for something then it is worth that price. There are examples everywhere of the same coins being sold for the Numis prices and even twice as much.
Everything being sold has a markup and I much rather buy something that has a markup than sell something at pure cost.
Lastly, I also look at the coins as free. If you bring just one person into the business each month it pays for your autoship. plus it is building your downline. Can't lose.
competition
Hi Guys
I used to be involved with a company called "anglo far east" they sell gold and silver bullion plus other stuff.
A couple of years ago they brought out another company that has been selling gold and silver in NWM or MLM.
Thought you may like to know you are not on the only ones on the block.
I do love the excitement you all have though and what you are doing, your prices are interesting, but hey so are the one in my company. People pay for what they get. I don't understand why Numis is so high, even for collecting.
Here is the website of another company: http://www.youniquewealth.com
let me know why you are different.
I know they are not as good at marketing as you guys.
James
PS: I do regard you all very highly as marketers and what you do.
better url
http://www.youniqueglobal.com/
competition
Hi James,
Thank you for your nice comments.
The reason we are different and the reason our prices are higher than bullion coins is that we focus on MS70 graded coins. We are the only Network Marketing focusing on these coins and that leaves us with no competition.
MS70 coins are considered the best most perfect coins ever minted. You can not get a higher rated or graded coin than MS70. Collectors pay for and look for the best.
JWS and all other mlm gold and siver sites focus on bullion coins. Some sites offer MS69 coins but those are not even in the same ballpark for serious collectors who can find a MS70.
More specifically, JWS falls within the bullion "rounds" area since their coins are not really minted government coins at all.
For more info on "Buying Gold and Silver in Today's World" , I have a free mp3 audio you can download at
http://www.box.net/shared/ycbpmj1bfa
Again, thanks for your comments!
Dave