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[Mike Scarchilli Company: TriVita, Inc Contribution Level: 1]

Ok This will be my last post on this issue. This will be fairly long due to the insetion of actual Quixtar rules. With that said, can I just point out that our Q health sites have maybe been in existence for maybe over a year. They just released the required "log in" page to your Product sites the same time. Why on earth would Quixtar build these sites for us? Uhhhh..... to hand out a business card and say "Gee would you mind taking a look at my products and buy from me"? Nooo that is why the have issued Bulletin #26 Please read an interperet for me would you Eddie?


BULLETIN NO. 26
INTERNET SEARCH ENGINE ADVERTISING
Quixtar recognizes the importance of advertising and wants IBOs to be competitive. However, for a
number of reasons, Quixtar has prohibited mass advertising by IBOs to give everyone an equal
opportunity to market the products and their business, as well as insuring that only those who are
interested in the business would be reached. But, like so many things in this world, technology has
created an opportunity to achieve both goals.
For that reason, Quixtar has modified Rule 9.8 to allow IBOs to advertise through Internet search
engines in a very specific manner.
IBOs may contract with Internet search engines such as Google and Yahoo to advertise on certain
search terms. The terms that IBOs are allowed to search on must be unique to their business and not
common to all Quixtar IBOs. For example, John Doe may advertise on the name John Doe or the
name of his Quixtar business, Doe Enterprises. However, John Doe may not advertise on the key
term Quixtar, Nutrilite, Satinique, etc. The only exception is if John Doe is affiliated with a
Professional Development Program (PDP) and obtains written permission from the PDP to use their
name to allow his business to appear in a search. For example, if one searches ABC Support
Systems, with written permission, John Doe’s advertisement may be one of the advertisements that
come up from that search term. An IBO may advertise through the search engines, but all
advertisements must be pre-approved in writing by Quixtar. Additionally, Quixtar must also approve
the Web site to which the consumer is directed from the advertisement.
Any IBO wishing to advertise must submit their advertisement and the Web site to Quixtar’s Global
Business Support Materials Team at wwbsm@quixtar.com prior to posting the ad on the Internet.
Any questions concerning the above, please contact the Business Conduct & Rules Department at
QBCR.department@quixtar.com or (616) 787-6712.

As far as, Why aren't Diamond and EDCs doing this be cause they have all the money to do so? I really can't answer that. My only observation is that most new Diamonds have built there business the old fashioned way and took 10-15 years to do it. They were taught only one way. And to my knowledge, most upline systems like BWW and WWDB, do not teach internet marketing. Not even how to use and autoresponder. It is because THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO EITHER. Sure they have the money, but why bother they are Diamonds making big money from the SOT & SOB. And YES they both sell cookie cutter web sites (that Emeralds and Diamonds get a piece of the action) so they stay loyal to that system and buy one of those non editable, search engine unfriendly sites that will get you no traffic. It makes them money by selling it to the downline. My upline EDC, Kanti Gala does not even maintain his own dot com address other than the BWW One Domain prospecting site. No info for team training or anything. The guy makes millions a yaer from functions, and tapes, so you tell me what would be his incentive to teach online marketing? I just believe that they are just used to the way it was and figure that "this has worked for all the diamonds you see here on stage, just folow the system and you will be up here with us".

Things are changing. Quixtar is lightening up on selling rules and have some of the damn best product on the market. This is Not Xango or X20 or some other one product wonder! Some of the platinums and the hungry IBO's are the ones that will be willing to put this in motion. That is why this board is here. People here are frustrated with 30 yr old system that just does not work like it used to. So they turned to Mag Sponsoring for industry specific training. To learn internet marketing for their ONLINE BUSINESS and not just the smoke the Upline is blowing.

So i am not a newbie here just a guy that has tried it the old fashioned way for too many years. I have been studying from the pros here how to market. Have finally put some money asside for some professional help with my sites. Anyone interested should check out http://services.sitesell.com/teamnlg.html This will be an investment but they will deliver. For me this is the only option as i am not a pro at site building (yet they do have good site building tools to do it your self) and lacking precious time. Building some personal pages giving people the education they need about your products then directing them with a click of a button to you Q heath Shopping cart is not as far fetched as you might think. I really don't want to go much further with that. This is no different than let say a Custom Golf Club website Pre-selling the "Why you sould do business with me first" idea. Getting them into your lead system, keep dripping free info on them and when they are ready.... they will buy! NO MATTER IF THEY ARE "SEAMLESSLY" REDIRECTED TO ANOTHER BUY PAGE. (Our Qheath pages). Sell your business first.

I do not believe people are looking for Nutrilite (which you can't use in your ad) Glucosamine tablets..... they are looking for joint pain relief. They go to Google and......they find your AD "End joint pain now with our all natural supplements". And BAM you just may have a new Nutrilite customer from your generic advertising. Youbuild a site or have one built for you with Site Sell. You create the "Content", Site Sell helps you get the "Traffic", your site delivers great information the "Presell" aspect, then "Monetize" or collect the money by a link to our Qhealth sites. If people cant see that this will work ( I know RT does) then by all means go shake some hands and some more hands to maybe get a customer or an IBO or two. Duplicatble you say? Is Going to the malls and stalking people something you thought you would be doing when they showed you the plan and you thought to your self "Gee i know 6 people thgis will be easy". No one told me that. I learned it, got pretty good at it but apparently,THAT was not duplicatable.

I am looking for six people that want to duplicate my New and Improved Marketing system, where you could put 10-20 people in you business a month. I don't know. with the old way, that's alot of shoulder tapping and Wed. night hotel meetings in my suit and tie. Which do you prefer?


Thanks for Reading
Mike Scarchilli

[Eddie Holford Company: Team Beachbody Contribution Level: 3]

Your method will work this way if you have a lead capture page so that you can continually drip market through auto responders (build trust and explain your model over time) and build your organization and sales at the same time.

Internet purchases of products and business ops are made after 5-7 contacts or reminders about your business, products, and information. Without a lead capture system you are hoping to create a purchase or a phone call about your product or business after just one contact. It just doesn't work that way. A lead capture system and an auto responder system are a must!

I won't try to convince you about your upline, you will learn in time why they want no changes.
It is not because they are uneducated about the internet. Their decisions are made because they ARE VERY educated on what the internet will do, for or against, their businesses and most importantly their income.

If your theory about being redirected won't have any effect on sales and is the norm then why does no other online retail business adopt this methodology? Instead of trying to convince yourself and others that it works, do some research and find out why it doesn't and never has worked. It doesn't work, period. That is why SiteSell sells an e-commerce website package because they know redirecting doesn't work.

I've been in the website game long enough to know that they don't do this because it scares people. With ID theft as the number one crime in America trust is a must and this is why redirecting is a no no.

If you wonder if I know what I'm talking about or not, then do this test: Go to Google and type in "joint pain info". You will see that 100% of the sponsored ads and 100% of the organic listings either have a shopping cart integrated into their websites for selling products or they have a lead capture page. 0 have adopted your strategy of redirecting.

Since you can't sell your products on your own site you are left with no choice except to market some valuable free information or free sample product to viewers in return for their email address and contact info.

Since 95% of all product sales of Q's products are purchased by IBO's you would be best off marketing a lead capture page for business opportunity seekers.

Or you can go broke on pay per clicks using your redirecting sales theory.

Enough said. Best of luck with your business.

[Richard Tolar Contribution Level: 1]

Well Eddie it's not the only why to use the web to get prospects to ask to
see what you have to offer. The great thing about the web is it is alway changing and will sometimes even improve.

Just a note. I am working on an ad that will get customers too. That will also have to go before the Q board for approval. Another speed bump, but I guess that's life. :S

Never the less, I wish you well in your marketing business.

RT...

[Eddie Holford Company: Team Beachbody Contribution Level: 3]

If I can suggest anything to anyone about business it is that you should do your homework and follow successful people who know what they are doing. Trying to force a round peg into a square hole is difficult. So is inventing tactics online.

I've made alot of upfront money online and I have a large residual income. It got that way from listening to and following the directions of online leaders from companies like Forrester Research, Jupiter Research, E-Marketer, Forbes.com, successful internet marketers and others of the like. I spent thousands on reports and on advice of those that knew more than I did and because I LISTENED to the advice and IMPLEMENTED the successful tactics, I am FREE. I didn't try to invent strategies without them being tested. Leaders in this industry are taught how to be leaders from those that have done it.

There is no luck about it. "Chance favors the prepared mind and business"! If you are going to try something new and outside of the box with out testing it then "good luck" in your business.

[Mike Scarchilli Company: TriVita, Inc Contribution Level: 1]

Eddie,

The problem is that no one in my upline is doing it to follow. So we are left to do our own research. And I have been doing mine. You are telling me nothing i don't already know about my upline as far as not wanting change. Of course they make more money selling seminars than recieving a small percentage of monthly volume. Dude I already know this. As for me, I am not interested in their tool money. I will make my own and market my own tools that even the new guy can market also. Tools like Site Build It and Mag Sponsoring and others that will truly help the new IBO.

As for the redirect? There is no way with providing the right information and telling the customer that "You will now be directed to our shopping cart", that every single customer is going to close up the page immediately in fear of some Phishing site or i am going to scam their card info. I Know it happens but that is E-Commerce. Yo do what you can to assure people with Security certificates and BBB certs. You hve to build the trust for sure. I mean how would affiliate marketers make money then if "this does not work"? They redirect their affiliate links to the Co. site that is providing the product or service in order to recieve their comission. The same way Quixtar redirects to all the Partner Stores. This is exactly what i am talking about here. I suppose Circuit City did not do their research and just said ah heck let's just let Quixtar inbound link to our site maybe that will get us some extra sales. NO, they Did do their research and know for sure that this DOES work or they would have pulled out a year after they became partners. So to say that this is untested is not true.

Yes you will need to gather their information in order to drip information to them. But most of the time if i am looking for something i just make the decision to buy. Some sites i am just reading to see whos product is better. I know we need auto responders and a capture pages, they are a must. But not those typical capture pages like the ones for various biz opps out there. I am talking about one that is designed to collect the customers name in trade for some valuable free information about your product. All the while gaining more trust from the customer. Site Sell includes an auto responder in their packages so this is not an added monthly expense. Site sell delivers what other hoting sites can only dream of offering. For us Network Marketres Site Sell has the goods. Let them prove it, find out for yourself. http://networkmarketing.sitesell.com/teamnlg.html

Mike Scarchilli

[Eddie Holford Company: Team Beachbody Contribution Level: 3]

You do not have the name recognition of Circuit City, and when you click the buy button on any product on Circuit City's website you stay on Circuit City's website. There is no redirecting. You never leave their site.

You get redirected from the Quixtar site to Circuit City ONLY after you have registered to be an IBO or customer in the first place. The Circuit City site is designed for IBO purchases only. A Quixtar IBO's customer, has nothing to gain by going through Quixtar to shop at Circuit City except to waste his time by having to login to get there. 99% of purchases made at Circuit City through the Quixtar site are done by IBO's or IBO's mothers. The other one percent is an IBO making a purchase for a friend or customer in an attempt to gain some PV.

As it says on the sitesell website the first order of business is lead capture. Look this is a copy of it below


STEP 1. Recruiting/lead generation/relationship-building

STEP 2. Sales conversion

STEP 3. Ongoing consumption

STEP 4. Replicating yourself through downline motivation and training.


This is telling you to focus on sponsoring people and to use the products. Teach them to use the net to sponsor people and teach them to use the product. Trying to create sales of your product via links won't work.

It all starts with marketing. I solicit using different lead capture pages targeted to Christians, Single Moms, Travel Enthusiasts, People That Like Parties, People into Health and Wellness, People Into Living Green etc.

How I built a downline in the thousands is by captureing leads and then picking up the phone and creating a relationship. Teaching my people to do the same and branding myself. I don't normally give access to my site away without opt in but here it is http://www.enteryourbiz.com . You would have landed on a generic lead capture page on one of the topics above and ended up hear. You then would have a phone call or email from me immediately or within 1 day. Brand yourself and it really doesn't matter what your product is. People join my business because of me first.

[Mike Scarchilli Company: TriVita, Inc Contribution Level: 1]

Ok This is becoming a train wreck. Man you've got it all mapped out. You seem to know more than Quixtar, Circuit City, Barnes and Noble, and the countless other companies that line up to do business with Quixtar. I didn want to let out all my marketing secrets, if you can even call his one, but my intention is to have a page redirect with my header to remain on top at all times with a built in back button. This way it does not even look like they have been redirected.( I got this from BWW,One Domain, so you see i do follow people who have done it before me) This too wil give buyers the security of dealing with one company...ME. Quixtar used to do that too , but for space reasons, they pulled their header out to allow for their partners sites full page. It was a big header plus the PS header was taking up too much space. I will condense this to maybe a half an inch. Besides you cant even personalize the Qhealth with but you name. So i will leave it blank and place my header on top.

I just cannot see why you are so adamant that this will not work when in fact it is in practice today by major corpoations and small online marketers. Yes Circuit City has their own cart, but can you tell me why there are so many affiliate sites then? Because it PAYS! It is that simple. People would not be doing Google Adwords if there were no affiliate commissions to be made. That my friend is how business is done on the internet. Well just look at your site you so conveniently pasted for all of us. Is that not an affiliate program with links to other corporate sites for the sale? Rookie? Please.

You will see the end product soon. It's been a long time coming with too many guys saying they can build it for me and could not get up to the plate. Any web designer worth their salt should be able to do what i ask in a blink of an eye. Rookies? I guess i was dealing with them.

Mike

[Richard Tolar Contribution Level: 1]

Hi again all. I think I am missing something here or saying something all wrong.

I mentioned earlier about redirecting. What I hope I was saying is that a person will be more inclined to click a link that looks like a personal site rather than a link that is a definite sales site. IE:

1... www.bodyenergy.us ===> This looks like I might have made the site. (1st impressions count)
2... xxx.qhealthzone.com ===> There is no doubt that this is a "Buy My Stuff" site.

People are people. It's odd, but when someone looks at an ad they know it is an ad for something. However, people are inclined to click on the #1 link above before clicking on the #2 link even tho they know it is an ad. Why? Because "People Are People."

That is what I mean by using a redirect address.

I have mine setup this way. (You may have guessed that the www.bodyenergy.us address is mine. :whistle: ) It is not to stalk prospects but to win customers.

Customers provide the new MLM business builder a source of immediate income while they build their network marketing business. If the customer converts to your down-line later down the road, great. However, converting them is not the main reason you want them in your site.

So, unless you are filthy rich at the start of your new business you are going to need some up front cash. This is just one of many ways to get an income stream to sustain you until you are a filthy rich IBO, (Independent Business Owner.)

I hope this clears up my position on "Redirecting"

RT... :blush:

Post edited by: rtsurvivor, at: 2008/04/14 12:31

[Arlenie of TheMoneyViews @yahoo Contribution Level: 1]

RT,

I think it is great if you get to work it your own way, my upline was all from India and they forced too much of their ways on everyone.

If I did not make a meeting people would be upset and angry at me. I just had a difficult time making money in Q like the concept and products just not the constant hounding over the fact that people did not want to pay 400.00 to join and then attend 4 weekly meetings and 4 yearly away meetings and 6 rallies, all of which paid my upline the big bucks.

I can see it working for someone if they can do it their own way like your able to do, in this aspect I can see more people getting involved.

[Richard Tolar Contribution Level: 1]

You got stuck in the wrong Q line Arlenie. In this neck of the woods it does not cost 400.00 anything to join. And it is strictly against the rules to hound a member to do anything.

That's the kind of thing that gives Q a bad rap.

We are not boat rockers but my wife and me both like to peek around the corner to see if there might be something new to try when it comes to marketing. :silly:

Luck to you

RT...