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[Reynaldo Perales Contribution Level: 3]

Personally...

..you are talking about religion I am talking about spiritual..two difference..religion is
seperated from the spirit..

I sold many of their products at the beginning for many years..they were my idols..I bought
all their CDs' and DVD when they came out but at the same time I was doing research and
working on my self..

During all those years I only ran into one person that was teaching and helping people to
become more aware to see things the way they were and not the way we imagine it to be..

I follow all of them in talk shows, one of them would come to the town I happen to be
and talk in a church and record the talk and then sold it and made millions..if you ever
listen to their tapes, dvd you will notice they never mention religion at all..they don't believe
it because they see what I see the purpose I mean..

I wrote to them asking questions but never got an answer maybe they didn't get the
questions..but Hey, it's the same creator though but being lost in thoughts getting
out to save ourselves is the key..meaning, raising our level of consciousness..and I
don't mean object consciousness but Space consciousness..

I post here to help people each way I can..because there is nothing new under the sun,
guess why?..

They are great guys and I love them but money comes first to them..

But hey..it's still people's choice huh?

rey

[Tomo Albanese Contribution Level: 1]

Thanks for your understanding Deelight!

And thanks Darkroom for pointing out the "Fallacy of Pride". It isn't your religion or your "Spirituality" that makes you a good person, its the things you do and the reasons you do them.

Marketing and Philosophy have a lot in common... NEITHER is useful until you start asking questions that deal with "application". For example - "Does god love what it is good because it is moral, or is it moral because god loves it?" is a question that goes right to the heart of "What is good, and what is evil - which allows us to examine our behavior in terms of relative value (appropriate or inappropriate).

In the same way good marketing strategies cur right to the heart of why people make the decisions they do, and reveals leverage points to influence the likelihood of a buying decision. It isn't a question of morality, it is a question of knowledge and ability.

Of course, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

The morality comes from the product that you are promoting using the steps within magnetic marketing. In essence, MM is just a very effective tool. Whether you use that tool to sell something of value, or snake-oil says nothing about the morality of the tool itself.

Yes, some people have used MM principles to "sell" Christianity.

Does that make it moral? Of course not! I can think of any number of Protestants, Baptists, Mormons, Scientologists, Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, Janeists, Jon Furm-ists, Wiccans, FSM-ists and Atheists who could argue that from their perspective selling Christianity is IMMORAL!

What does that say about MM?

Absolutely nothing.

You can make moral decisions about your what you market. You can make moral decisions about how you will market it... but an effective strategy is just an effective strategy.

And a preemptive "NO!" here:

Do not point out that holding a gun to somebody's head is an arguably effective but immoral strategy... because it isn't. That isn't marketing, that is coercion.

Marketing is the art of promotion and presentation of a concept or construct for the purpose of inducing a buying decision. EFFECTIVE marketing demonstrates the value of the subject to the potential buyer and communicates clearly the benefits that acquiring the subject entails.

Unfair or immoral marketing isn't marketing... it's a con, is not germane to this discussion I don't believe.

[Adam Taha Company: Amway Contribution Level: 7]

I see, so because it's not religion but spirituality, you can say, so, so, only cares about money.

Like I said, it's across the board, religion, spirituality, morality, or whatever one likes to call it - no one knows what a person does behind doors or inside their hearts.

Second, it's a business. In business - you make money. That's why we call it "business."

What one does with their money is entirely their choice and most, do not go around saying, "we want to help people."

They just do it, secretly or just do it.

Adam Taha

[Reynaldo Perales Contribution Level: 3]

personally...

..what the heck is it that you don't understand..or you just trying to be impressive blowing
smoke out of your a..?

My post was about those that know about the purpose in life are not telling because it might
and probably will you are evidence of it would happen and then they lose what they have..

I knew this would happen but personally..I don't care I have heard an ear full from people
like you but I got lucky so far..it's only you..

What else can I say?..with all your so call intelligence you can't see it?..

I made money and have businesses with personal development which is Spiritual but I
never have charge money teaching and telling the truth..I mention in my post that people
can't see because they need to raise their level of consciousness and people will see it..

As long as we are lost in thought we never will..just like never will succeed no matter what
unless we learn something new and practice it..only something new change our lives to a
new live..

Take away all the expeiences from the including humans world and what is left?..Can
spirit create experiences without humans?..nope, it needs the sense of smell, taste, etc..

That's all..the rest is spirit..enjoying a live of experiences..

I couldn't argue with Richard Bravo with his knowledge, nor you, Mike, and a lot of folks
here because they done their stuff for many years and so have I but for some reason you
are aguing with me because...even having 40 years of research and practicing such research..

That's it for me..if you want to argue some more talk to my hand..

rey

[Tomo Albanese Contribution Level: 1]

Hmmm, I don't think anybody meant for you to take offense - personal philosophy is a hot topic because... well its personal.

I understand where he is coming from though... the idea that you communicated is that you hold a monopoly on the truth, that your viewpoint is inherently correct. Maybe this wasn't your intention, but that's the same impression that I was left with.

Your claim is that this other group of people don't reveal the meaning of life... which means that you KNOW the meaning of life, and if we don't agree with you that we don't know the meaning of life either. Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding you, but can you see how implying that you alone have THE ANSWER to end all questions is a bit ... insulting to those of us who disagree with you or have differing viewpoints?

I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong, or that your research must have been flawed, or that you have wasted your life with your beliefs. That would be mean-spirited and unproductive, not to mention insanely hubristic of me.

All I'm going to tell you is that what works for you, what has worked for you, is not necessarily the answer for everyone else. When you imply that you have THE ANSWER, then you are implying that other people DON'T, which is 1 HECK of a position to take when you can't or won't back up your arguments.

For what its worth, I don't think any idea deserves respect. How do you respect an idea? What does that look like? Nope, you don't respect ideas, but you do respect people - and the key is to remember that a person isn't the idea the profess, they are the embodiment of the INTENT of that idea.