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Re: Starting to "disagree" with Attraction Marketing

Postby Rick Salas on Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:29 pm

Tim Erway tells it like it is. People know who he is and how many people he has helped. He has proven he is somebody that people listen to. Not that you have to agree but people that are knowledgeable attract business to them. That's why so many are successful.

People are looking for someone they can trust to tell them how it is and know that they will be guided in the right direction. There's more to building a business than only working with go getters.

The person new to a business has to like the product and in demand but being able to help anybody on what's the best way for them is powerful and only people who know attraction marketing are capable of this type of help.

Every person in a downline has to have access to someone who can find out what's holding somebody back. A sponsor needs to find out why some members are not succeeding.

I don't think anybody can really speak with credibility unless they have read Mike Dillards Magnetic Sponsoring. That's one of the qualifications. :)
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Re: Starting to "disagree" with Attraction Marketing

Postby Rafael Leung on Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:57 am

This is really interesting topic!

I'm a new guy in the network marketing biz and I've just join the Magnetic Sponsoring System one week ago. I join this "Better Networker" site because Mike Dillard's system introduce it to me.

When I first sign in this site. I was so surprised to find that so many people are promoting the magnetic sponsoring here and it seems everybody are fans of Mike Dillard here.

I myself don't have much knowledge about Mike Dillard but I'm really interested in the topic "attraction marketing" which is in a good sense and reasonable.

But after I join Magnetic Sponsoring, I found it is another affiliate program where the success point from Mike Dillard is that he is good first to sell his product to us and then make us to promote his products for him.

Of course Mike not only provide you the products but also the marketing tools, like the ready made capture page, banner, advertising mails and links. Where to put your ad and budget. And at the end your affiliate commissions are use to buy ads and to promote his product again (very smart guy).

I'm not against this concept because this will help to build our team (I guess). But I do agree that not everybody can sell himself. Especially when someone is new in this industry and he just cannot show up as an expert to coach his sponsors and give value to them.

Anyway, this network marketing is really challenging and have a lot to learn. Just take time to make it (making money) happen! :?
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Re: Starting to "disagree" with Attraction Marketing

Postby David Rawe on Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:48 am

Oh I know this will get me in trouble :twisted: ... Something for everybody that everybody already has or knows. What I mean is that there are only so many ways to approach humans in general. Gurus? What are they anyway and how do they get appointed to a level like this. Basically they really don't know anything different than the rest of us other then how to pitch a method that has been around for a long time, but give it a new name and/or package and we are all in awe.

But I think here is what is truly been forgotten. What does the prospective person REALLY NEED? I emphasize that word need because we often try to give them what they want, but it does not take care of the issue they are facing. That I feel is the real 'attraction' ; give them a viable solution for what is needed not wanted or desired. Magnets? You really don't need a magnet because people with needs will come to you simply because others have told them about how you SOLVED their NEED. ;)

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Re: Starting to "disagree" with Attraction Marketing

Postby Landon Stewart on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:14 am

In the end I just don't think it comes down to a product.

Yes, the product is important.

Yes, it is extremely hard to sell a bad product(especially if you don't believe in it)

So yes, it is very important to believe in your product.

But in the end the product does not make you any money. Having 100 bottles of vitamin juice sitting in your garage will not make you a single dime, and I think that we all know this.

The marketing and promotion of that product is where the money is made.

If no one knows about a great product, it will just be another product.

Attraction marketing is just another method of MARKETING. That is why it is called "attraction MARKETING".

It is not the only way to market your products online, but it is one way. There are a lot of people making a killing using those methods.

I just no exactly what I am attracted to.

If I see an ad for some new product - I never click on it there will be another new product tomorrow.

If I see an ad for the "next big thing" opportunity - I'm not going to click on maybe ( but hey I might click on the new one that pops up tomorrow)
- Most likely not though.

If someone tries to pitch me on how great their product is - Well I'm not going to talk back, there is probably another person on the other line pitching me an even "greater" product.

If someone tries to pitch me on an opportunity - I simply say why join you, and not your buddy doing the EXACT same thing as you?

So in the end I am personally attracted to people. A person that can teach me something that I don't already know(there's probably a lot of people like this :), is much more valuable than the hit new vitamin juice with 100,000 antioxidants.

Tomorrow I will still have that new knowledge that he just taught me, and there will be a new vitamin juice with 200,000 antioxidents.

That is just the way I see it.

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Re: Starting to "disagree" with Attraction Marketing

Postby Paul Murphy on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:17 am

Combine good products and services, fair compensation, skilled management, timing, and system, and you will attract all the good business you can handle!
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Re: Starting to "disagree" with Attraction Marketing

Postby Geoff Holliday on Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:22 am

thanks for sharing al.. i agree attraction marketing wont work for most.. here is a good example i thing.. look at gene simmons from kiss.. he is the self promotiom whore of the universe.. hes great at attraction marketing.. but then again most will never be gene simmons
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Re: Starting to "disagree" with Attraction Marketing

Postby Jay Neal on Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:51 pm

newbiemarketer wrote:Wow... this is fascinating. :)

I love it when people disagree here. It makes things interesting.

Anyway, here's my two cents. I think it is duplicatable. Attraction marketing works IF you can prove that you have value to give your prospects.

Are you just like everyone else peddling products and systems? Your prospects could sign up with any number of distributors with your company. Why on EARTH would they sign up with you? That is the question we have to answer through our marketing. Why is my prospect better off signing up with me than the next company X distributor?

What value do I give them that no one else does?

Ask yourself these questions.

I disagree that not everyone is capable of promoting themselves. That's what we do in job interviews. We do it in our relationships all the time.

Putting yourself in the best light is a daily activity, so why not take that to your marketing? When their are courses available for you to learn skills and add value to yourself, I see no reason why you can't give back to your prospects, because ultimately that's what its all about.

Give without want, right?

Cheers,

Ryan

This has been a great topic! I love it! I agree that not everyone can promote themselves, Because they don't know how. Everyone has value or can get it by research! You have to figure out what you like and what you want to pursue and then you market yourself with that. I mean Ryan said we do it in job interviews, Heck look at resumes talking about selling yourself. I have seen where a maid is a domestic engineer... I also don't believe that everyone can be a leader. I was in the Army for a long time and I have found that it does not matter how much training in leadership some people get they just don't get IT and after my time in law enforcement you can't change someones ethics with a class or training they were brought up with it and they have it or they don't and they don't really ever change. Thanks for the great topic! Great responces from everyone!
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Re: Starting to "disagree" with Attraction Marketing

Postby Greg Martin on Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:22 pm

I am late to this discussion and have read the first page comments, and can guess the rest.

I have seen this coming for a long while. A pendulum always swings back the other way and water always finds it's own level.

The principles of attraction marketing are profound and life changing for many marketers. BUT THAT IS NOT THE WHOLE STORY... and if that is all that you are focusing on then you have missed it.

I agree with this article, it needed to be said, and I am glad it's out.

Will I still be employing attraction marketing? Absolutely. But I will also be doing a host of other things as well.
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Re: Starting to "disagree" with Attraction Marketing

Postby Daniel Shi on Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:47 am

Some are very good points on this subject. I think both sides got some parts right. If you combine them, it becomes a perfect equation. It basically gets down to this: which is more important? Opportunity Vs. People? Well, I think both are important. You can have the best product/comp plan/service, but if you don't have an effective system to promote it, you will not succeed. Attraction Marketing is a very effective way by building up people relationship. On the other hand, no matter how much magnets/attraction you got, if your company sucks, product sucks, comp plan has no incentive to get new reps into profit, then you're not going to succeed either. Good Opportunity is the Gold-Mine, and good marketing system is the Vehicle. You need both to transport TRUE WEALTH!

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Re: Starting to "disagree" with Attraction Marketing

Postby Karo Itoje on Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:24 am

The Other option, is you need to be part of a Good Business Opportunity. Bottom line... if your business does not offer you the option of making a decent check without recruiting a single Distributor, it's Not really a good Opportunity.

Recruiting Distributors, should only be an option to GROW your business exponentially; it shouldn't be the Deciding factor in whether or not you're able to survive in your current company.


I completely don't agree with this statement, am sorry

This is a public domain for internet network marketers and so we want to be sure the kind of information we post here so as not to mislead the in-experienced ones

First i'll like to remind us that the concept behind network marketing is leveraging on people so that you can get more done. Get a large group of people to do a simple action over a consistent period of time then wealth is created

The real money in network marketing comes from building an active team of distributors,else you are just another sales man which i believe network marketing is not about. The wealth network marketing business can give can not be achieved from just selling products, that's not how network marketing is designed, if it were, the retail profit probably will be more than 15 - 20%, to create wealth you have to have good number of people doing good in the business and as they grow you grow

Product selling shouldn't be your focus rather your focus should be to build your business and that can be done by bringing in others to work with you

If you want to make decent money without recruiting any distributor, am sorry you wouldn't go too far. You know that to climb the leader of growth in network marketing you are often expected to have some distributor who are at a certain level of growth for you to move to the next level.

I believe that NOT everyone can be a leader, but ANYONE can be a leader whether by using attraction marketing or not. Though it's important you know that there's almost no other option to attraction marketing, in anyway you look at it, whether online or offline. You can't just meet someone and immediately start talking about your business, it doesn't work like that. You have to somehow attract this person to you before telling him about your products/opportunity
Attraction marketing has always been around, now there are just tools that reduces the hardwork and put some of this things on autopilot.

I agree that you have to use money to get money. So to succeed in a business at a reasonable time, one has to equipp himself with some of the available marketing tools and people also have to get some education.I'm yet to order for magnetic sponsoring but i am sure it must really provide some quality help for it to be popular as it is, i mean, it's not the only available book on attraction marketing
And i think it makes sense that one get and test some of these tools, because as you go along, you will have to start teaching people marketing techniques, and since you have tried the tools and it worked for you, you will be confident to recommend it to your students and it's a good way for a newbie to make some extra money because truth be told it will take some work and time to start making money from the network marketing business

What i would like though is for people like Mike Dillard to come up with different marketing techiques for someone working on a zero budget, some people really want to build their business but don't have a dime to spare. So it would be nice to have a book that gives different marketing techiques that could be used free of charge before they start making money from their network marketing business
I agree that one cannot go far though, completely relying on free tools, but people have to start somewhere. Most of the pages online are sales pages, you hardly get anything free now, people are becoming too conscious of making money

All it takes to be a leader is some consistence and persistence. Don't be afraid to fail now, it will make you a better teacher in future. You can relate more with people when you tell them experiences of how you too once failed and how you eventually became successful
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