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[mona rolid Contribution Level: 1]

No you are not nuts. I am so happy to see this post. I just join today and I do not know the site yet but stumbled over your post. It seems that this place is a good networking place I may stay on.
http://www.deadseacosmetics.com/index.php

[Lynn Jones Company: SISEL International, LLC Contribution Level: 5]

Elwood and everyone,
Hey I am with all of you and couldn't agree more. I take pride in BN and the quality of information that is on this site. Let's keep it that way. Thank you for speaking out and thank you Cop Carl for getting right in there and taking care of the matter.
Lynn Jones

[Elwood Crane Contribution Level: 5]

I read the rules about keeping things PG on this site.

However, I am curious about why no one has addressed the freedom of speech and censorship issues that seem to come into play in deciding what opportunities are appropriate to share here.

Also, this site is supposed to be an international one.

And, a lot of other countries do not uphold the Puritan, mainly sexually repressed values of the average American.

So, when we make ethnocentric, sexual morality calls on this site, what are the implications?

Thank you for your time and attention!

Cheers!

However, I am curious about why no one has addressed the freedom of speech and censorship issues that seem to come into play in deciding what opportunities are appropriate to share here.

PORNOGRAPHY HARMS EVERYONE IT TOUCHES Would you introduce your daughter to pornographers. If she participated would you praise her. You are part of the problem with the world.

[rc rc Contribution Level: 2]

Glad this got sorted out. I dread those contacts having information about me and my home and my hopes.
This is scary!!
Someone just told me tht Facebook can even be 'dangeruos' and to be careful.
I have not found that....but maybe I am just naive.
Let me know.
Rachel Cormier
Mission BC CAnada

[Elwood Crane Contribution Level: 5]

One point that would be worth clarifying is why porn is allowed to be promoted in the opportunitiy section, but not in the forums?

They aren't/shouldn't be allowed there either...

Thank you Raymond for supporting a clean site. If you look at the porno stars you will find they have all been reduced to desperate people.

from The Heart

Elwood

[Elwood Crane Contribution Level: 5]

It seems to me that we have several issues here.

We have the assumptions of many, based on the initial post, that the offending business is not in the "adult toys" end of the market, nor the glossy Playboy version of the market, but is instead something nastier and seedier by far.

Now, as I haven't seen the business that has been complained about, I cannot judge for myself and, for that same reason, neither can the majority of contributors to this thread. The site management have seen the evidence and have enforced their guidelines, as they are entitled to do.

We have the avowed belief of some, that porn in all its manifestations is immediately harmful to all. Those who espouse that view are entitled to their belief. Those that do not espouse that view are also entitled to theirs.

We have the response of others who remind us that censorship and freedom of speech or expression are two sides to the same coin; that the ability to walk a middle path is the most difficult of all to achieve.

We have the calming reminders from Mark and Erik that the key point is not our own morality and values, which should be strong enough to withstand corrupting influences and powerful enough to allow us to lead others to uphold their own values. The key point is that this site, like any private members' club, has rules and guidelines that need to be followed.

We are here to learn to be leaders. We are here to learn to actively listen to others. We are here to understand the needs and motivation of others, to show them by example how they can achieve their dreams.

If we reject others outright due to their choice of route towards achieving their dreams, how are we leading? How are we setting an example? Why are we judging sight unseen? What do we have to learn to help ourselves and others to grow?

If I understand correctly you would encourage you children to participate in pornography. Did you know that men that view pornography over an extended period of time can not function with a women. The act never meets the fantasy. Pornography harm's every one that touches it.

Let it be distributed in places that are already depraved.

[Elwood Crane Contribution Level: 5]

I can see everyones point on this, but this is a business. I can say for a fact 90% of the people in this business are not doing it for the product but rather the opportunity and the uniqueness/freshness of this opportunity.

As far as the people saying the product is sex, its not really. Its not like its prostitution.

Crystal,

If you are so greedy that you can make your money on others despair I feel sorry for you. If I understand what you are saying it would be suitable for your soon or daughter as long as it makes money. Pornography harms all who touch it.

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I can see everyones point on this, but this is a business. I can say for a fact 90% of the people in this business are not doing it for the product but rather the opportunity and the uniqueness/freshness of this opportunity.

As far as the people saying the product is sex, its not really. Its not like its prostitution.

Crystal,

If you are so greedy that you can make your money on others despair I feel sorry for you. If I understand what you are saying it would be suitable for your soon or daughter as long as it makes money. Pornography harms all who touch it.

Helpformlm,

Get off your high horse. Porn harms everyone it touches. You are basically saying that every teenage boy is an evil person, and a ton of non teenage boys for that matter. Porn is becoming more and more mainstream now a days. We just need to accept that fact.

Most of the products that this country sells profits from Chinese child labor. Are you hating America for that?

[Gary Wilmot Contribution Level: 2]

Hi Everyone,

This is one of the reasons I was a little uncomfortable with it all - this is rapidly degenrating into a slanging match, and that does nobody any good in the end.

While I love that people have a point of view, stand by it and aren't afraid to tell it how they see it, this thread probably needs to come to an end sooner rather than later.

Too soon to suggest a group hug?

Gaz

[Ferny Ceballos Company: Numis Network Contribution Level: 4]

Great point, which is why this is the last message which will be posted to this forum thread.

Thanks for all who participated, but it's time to move on!

-Ferny