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[Joyce Penner Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 8]

Ran across this paragraph in something I was reading and just wondered if this is really the way to make those "dreams" come true? (Assuming of course that those dreams require money to make them happen)

I will tell you one thing about Network Marketing. It is not about recruiting. It is not about the numbers, It is not about the money. Network Marketing, in order for it to work for everybody, is a teaching and mentoring business. You don't recruit, you sponsor. Making contact with only a few people, that you train well and get them to do the same with the people they bring into the business, has a long-term, big building effect.

I think if anyone had the opportunity to sit down with Jim Rohn and discuss this philosophy, Jim would probably share the parable of the sower and the seed. The seed planted in big numbers. Some will germinate, some won't, keep planting. Quit chasing away the birds, don't worry about the rocks and thistles, just keep planting !

Would joining someone with the only plant a view seeds, water them, tend them, nurture them, protect them philosophy really allow you to achieve the ultimate dream you have? Or would it be better to read, study and learn from a proven master like Jim Rohn??

I don't know, I'm betting Jim Rohn is right and you should run from this other guy with the nurturing philosophy.

Joyce Penner

[Steve Rodgers Contribution Level: 3]

You could go the "plant lots of seeds" route and not be able to train all of them properly. Then you'd be left with a huge network and NO SALES VOLUME. (and quitters when they aren't getting paid)

Or you could plant lots of seeds, let the serious people raise their hand, train them properly and have a strong network that gets things done.

I think the lesson here is that both guys are right on certain points:

1) Plant lots of seeds(Jim Rohn)

2) Nurture the ones that are willing to grow (Your quoted author)

3) Let the grown plant lots of seeds (Modern Day Network Marketers)

4) Rinse and repeat

If your "harvest" can't duplicate success it's because they either don't DO what it takes or you failed them as their sponsor (mentor)

-Steve

[Joyce Penner Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 8]

Hi Steve.

If your "harvest" can't duplicate success it's because they either don't DO what it takes or you failed them as their sponsor (mentor)

Interesting. I just had a discussion with someone on my team who was down on herself because she felt she had failed this one particular downline member of hers. These are the questions I asked her:
1.) Did you make sure she knew about training calls/webinars?
2.) Were you accessible to her if she called?
3.) Did you make sure she got or knew where to get the answers for any questions?
4.) Did she ever call you unless it was a scheduled call?
5.) Did she follow through with anything you shared with her?
6.) Did you do 3 ways with her?
7.) Did you recommend specific personal development books to her?

AND the question I was really asking was:

Did this lady every pick up the phone, call you and say "OK, I've done this, now what do I do next?"

The answers told the whole story. My advice to her? "Some will, some won't, NEXT. Move on and find the ones who truly desire to be successful."

Where would you be on this Steve?

Joyce

[David Wilcoxson Company: Magnetic Sponsoring Contribution Level: 3]

Hi Joyce, great question.

I agree wih Steve. Jim Rohn's point in the Parable of the Seeds is to spend your time continually planting LOTS of seeds, and to nurture those that grow in order to give them all of the resources they need to thrive and produce a fruitful business.

You're job is to tend to the people who are teachable, who are taking consistent action... and who are calling you.

Get them to define and continually review their goals and reasons for building their business, to establish solid roots, so that adversity doesn't cause them to fade away.

Connect them into a communication system, so that they are continually plugged into the support system to get fed so that they persist despite the obstacles of life.

Hold them accountable to their goals so that the challenges of life don't overcome them.

And if they fade away despite all that you've done, spend a few minutes to think about what you can do better with the next person, and then MOVE ON to plant more seeds.

Everyone network marketer should listen to Jim's Network Marketing training CD. I give it to everyone who starts in my business.

Keep learning and growing!

David

[Steve Rodgers Contribution Level: 3]

I would agree with you on that Joyce. That's why it's important to have a qualification process in place before you ever pick up the phone to prospect.

What it comes down to is that everyone in this community... all of us... We ALL have an opportunity for people.

The only thing we can do is make the offer along with the promise of being there when called upon.

The rest is up to the person who, for whatever reason, needs our particular opportunity.

As a mentor of mine once said, "Steve,you can't push a rope."

-Steve

[Joyce Penner Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 8]

I would agree with you on that Joyce. That's why it's important to have a qualification process in place before you ever pick up the phone to prospect.

What it comes down to is that everyone in this community... all of us... We ALL have an opportunity for people.

The only thing we can do is make the offer along with the promise of being there when called upon.

The rest is up to the person who, for whatever reason, needs our particular opportunity.

As a mentor of mine once said, "Steve,you can't push a rope."

-Steve

Steve. Hope you don't mind. I used your can't push a rope as a quote in my blog. I attributed it to you of course. Like that by the way. Very visual reference to how you "Can't" motivate someone else.
Joyce

[Melvin Goodrum Company: AdvoCare International, L.P. Contribution Level: 4]

Joyce, I think he made a lot of great points and honestly, not everyone's idealogy in network marketing is going to be the same. You also really can't speak for John Rohn for obvious reasons as to whether he agrees with him partially, all or none.

You don't have to take just one path to success. Guy certainly isn't a nutcase because he has a different opinion than most conventional marketers

[Steve Rodgers Contribution Level: 3]

Hey, borrow away Joyce! It wasn't mine to begin with

[Dee Light Contribution Level: 2]

This is SUCH a great thread!! After having worked i mlm for so many years I have found the formula of
1) Have a qualifying mindset from the get-go;
2) Plants losts of seeds [and gather the fruit];
3) The cream will rise to the top;
4) You want to work with those who WANT to work;
5) Teach them generously everything you know; have an abundance mentality rather than fear & scarcity. This leads to loyalty and true partnership.

Rather than "this" or "that" is more like mix it all together---imho

Best to you all!

[Dave Kotecki Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 5]

Well, you knew I would have to weigh in on this, didn't you?

Yes, he's nuts.

For those of you who "qualify" your prospects:

Please tell me what qualifications a prospect would have to have in order to
be good enough to work with you.

How many prospects have started a business, (say they came in online, and bought
in before ever talking to you) but then after failing your qualification
process, you've told them they didn't make the grade, then gave them their money back?

What help do you give a person, and after how long do you decide that they're just not
worth it (not making you any money) and let them go? Then give them their money back.

And finally, if you're one of those constantly crowing about helping people, giving without
want, and providing value before you ask for anything in return, how does the whole "Sorry, but
you don't qualify" mentality work into that business strategy?

I'm looking forward to your answers.

For anyone unlucky enough to wind up on the short end of the "qualification" stick,
PM me, email, or whatever. I'll see what I can do to help you out.