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[Landon Stewart Company: ViSalus Sciences Contribution Level: 3]

You know Reynaldo I would have to disagree with you. The net has not hurt network marketing at all, it has helped it.

I mean back in the day to reach 1000 new people a person would have to mail out 1000 letters, which would cost money, then there is the time factor. I did not live back then, so i would not know for sure, but i would imagine it was difficult to reach new people.

Now-a-days a person can write one email and send it to a thousand people in a metter of just minutes.

Not only that, but a person can set up a quick PPP campagne (assuming they know what they are doing), and reach hundreds of people every single day.

I have never had to go door-door for my network marketing (lucky me!), but I would imagine that it would be a lot more difficult than what we are doing today.

To your success,

Landon Stewart

[Reynaldo Perales Contribution Level: 3]

Personally...

..I was talking about Network Marketing companies in the net..

I don't spend that much time in the net..I still do all of my networking offline
that are mine can't beat it in my book..as little time as I spend online I have
heard it a thousand times over and over people complaining..

I hear complaining offline but it's about mlm in the net..Yeah, there are some
good ones..

System I have pays the overhead, pays clerical staff, promotions, more money for
reps, staff etc..no selling, no door to door which is new to me..my job is to help
people open up their minds so they can have a better chance on the net which I
think is still a long way in the future..

People say they have this good technolgy but only a few can use or can afford..
systems offline works for everybody..and by the way..technology don't make people
successful..the mind still rules..

People still sign people talkng to a few..no risk with emailing, freezed commissions,
or stolen, high jack clickbank links, etc..

Hey, I'm probably one of those guys..haha..that still practice "if it don't need fixing"..
not to mention good looks haha, I'm full of it today..

People in the net are happy, people offline are happy, let's just stay happy huh?..no need
to throw rocks at each other..I'm talking in general..

rey

P.S. I am still thinking about starting something in the net but I'm bring my offline stuff..

[Lou Smith Contribution Level: 2]

If no one knows about your product it makes it awfully difficult to sell.

No question about it. The old "Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door" just won't cut it today... maybe it never did.

The lack of a truly effective marketing to go along with the product causes as many failures as lack of persistence.

[Landon Stewart Company: ViSalus Sciences Contribution Level: 3]

Reynaldo your right.

I mean offline network marketing has worked. We would not be in network marketing right now if it were not for the companies that made it happen outside of the net.

There are tons and tons of people making great money without leveraging the internet whatsoever.

And the internet won't make someone successful just because they use it.

Your right it still starts in their mind. The internet is merely a tool that allows us to reach the masses with a push of a button.

I guess that it is just my generation that has been so fixated on the net, and that is why I am not seeing any other way to build a business.

Good comments!

[Landon Stewart Company: ViSalus Sciences Contribution Level: 3]

Thank you for your support Lou.

I mean marketing is just huge in this business. That is really what network marketing is all about.

To me it kind of makes sense.. Marketing is in the name.

And i think that I would say that many times people do fail because of lack of marketing and not lack of a good product.

As Mike Dillard always says "Network Marketing is an industry of marketing and promotion ran by people that have no idea how to market or promote" ( that might not be exact words)

So i would suggest that any body that wants to succeed in this industry needs to know how to market a product, or else the product will not be able to help you.

[Seth Robertson Contribution Level: 2]

You know Reynaldo I would have to disagree with you. The net has not hurt network marketing at all, it has helped it.

I mean back in the day to reach 1000 new people a person would have to mail out 1000 letters, which would cost money, then there is the time factor. I did not live back then, so i would not know for sure, but i would imagine it was difficult to reach new people.

I'm going to be blatantly honest here. People that mail out 1000s of letters/emails whatever, are people that aren't doing well with their personal contacts and need to start over in a cold market.

WHAT EVERYONE IS MISSING TOO...is there is no stability in these!

When you go out and sell a terrible product, there is NO STABILITY! When you sell a fantastic product, there is, regardless of your marketing skills. The word also gets out on its own no matter how terrible you are, because people talk...this is why everyone can do it, all you have to do is talk, not be some "savvy business guy" or think you are... If you feel like you need to market it to everyone - this isn't the industry for you...because to an extent, it's just being greedy. You're too busy trying to make money than help those closest to you.

Every single successful network marketer I know has NEVER put out 1000 emails, nor have they spent time sifting through cold contacts. Why? They don't have time, because their phone is constantly ringing with their own business, or helping those they sponsored.

Sorry, but marketing will only get you so far - in the end, it's about the product. If the product is not there, it may work for a bit, but sooner or later it's gonna all come falling down, because there's no stability.

Hope this help!

[Darius Moore Contribution Level: 2]

Thats my big problem, I am new to all of this online marketting and article marketing and mlm, and all that good stuff etc. I have an awesome product that I feel everyone could benefit from on more levels than 1.

The company I am affiliated with offers something no other company is offering in one complete package. Not to advertise my company but it is the truth. Adding value to me which I have heard so much is not easy.

I am trying to learn all this in mass doses and maybe thats my issue. so my questions to anyone is what tactics do you use that showcases your value, and if you have value, do you believe in the services you offer, or do you just promote you? I guess you may see how confused I am.

I just want people to see the value of my product whether I make money or not, I would tell people for free, why not make some money as well.

[Landon Stewart Company: ViSalus Sciences Contribution Level: 3]

Seth I think you missed out on the reason that I was talking about sending out 1000 emails.

Your right you should not do that, and you def. don't have to if you are doing this thing right.

I was only trying to say that the internet gives you the ability to reach thousands with a push of a button. It is much easier and cheaper to send out 1000 emails than it is to mail out 1000 letters.

Should you do either?

Probably not besides the people that are on your direct list of course.

That part had nothing to do with the actual marketing itself because emailing 1000 random people would be no better than me trying to sell a steak for 100 bucks to a thousand vegatarians.

But i still think that I disagree with your take on product over marketing. I mean they do call this network marketing and not network producting.

I don't think that it is about the person with the best product that wins in network marketing. It just can't be.

Or else everybody would succeed in the good product companies, and everyone would fail in the bad product companies.

But i do think that a fair amount fail and succeed in each. It has nothing to do with the product that they are selling, but the way that they are selling the product.

Does Mcdonald's have the best hamburgers?

No of course not.

Did they go out and market their hamburgers the best?

O yeah.

And are they making a killing?

O yeah.

This summer I sold Cutco Knives. Now these knives were literally the best knives in the world. You could not go out and find a better brand of knives anywhere. Each and every knife is hand crafted in the United States (great selling point around my town . The handles are made out of the same material as bowling balls. They were designed to fit directly to your hands. The blades were made out of the same material that doctors use in their surgical instruments. They are the sharpest knives that you can find anywhere.

They were just beautiful knives, and quite frankly a GREAT product.

There were 20 kids in my small town that got hired for the job, which at the time, I thought that was a lot of kids.

We were all selling the same product in the same area to basically the same people. I do live in a real small town. Not a real wealthy town, and these knives were dang expensive.

First day of work we all went out there trying to sell these knives. We all loved it.

We got to make our own hours. Work as much or as little as we wanted. It seemed to be a fantastic job at the time.

Except a funny thing happened. No one esle could sell them at all. I mean these were the best knives in the world. They gave us the script and everything. We all used the same exact words in our presentation. We were bound to succeed right? Wrong!

I was the only person out of the 20 that got hired to sell over 1000 dollars worth of knives week in and week out.

I was the only person out of the 20 that brought home triple digit paychecks everweek(I know it wasn't very much money at all)

We were all doing the same thing, selling the same product, talking to the same people, using the same presentation, yet I was the only one leaving the house with the check.

Some said it was because I could close the deal better than the others. I had a bit more confidence in my closing than the other 19 kids, but that's not the real reason why I sold more than them.

The reason why I brought home bigger checks was very simple..

I talked to more people. I would sit on the phone for hours on end just calling people, making appointments, and it worked for me.

I had marketed the product to more people than anyone else, I had gotten more appointments than anyone else, and I made more money than anyone else.

That is why I say marketing is key.

Here is another example.

So we think that the best "vitamin juice" (I put that in quotes because I do realize that not ever company sells vitamin juice, but many MLMs revolve around the health industry) would do best in this industry..?

Right?

Well then it's experiment time.

Let's go grab a folding table, a 20 pack of the best, coldest vitamin juice that you got, a sign, and a jar.

You set up the folding table. You set the 20 pack next to the jar on top. Then you tape the sign saying "best vitamin juice in the world to it"

(the jar is for the cash of course .

You can even go in and grab a chair to sit out there and wait.

How many bottles of that vitamin juice do you think that you would sell?

You could leave it there for a couple of weeks even. People might even walk by, and just like you said tell others, but do you think that anyone would buy it?

I highly doubt it. You might sell a few.

But without marketing a great product, it will just be a product.

If you set the worst vitamin juice ever out there, but you this time you marketed it, how many do you think that you would sell?

Maybe none, but if just one person out of the hundreds that saw the ads bought, you would have just made infinity times as much money as you did the first time.

And I am not saying that the marketing is all that matters because it is not.

There is only so long that a person can market a product that they do not believe in before it drives them crazy, I know that.

It is important to have a good product.

But at the same time they called it network marketing for a reason.

[Landon Stewart Company: ViSalus Sciences Contribution Level: 3]

When you sell a fantastic product, there is, regardless of your marketing skills. The word also gets out on its own no matter how terrible you are, because people talk...this is why everyone can do it, all you have to do is talk, not be some "savvy business guy" or think you are...

One more little thing here Seth.

You said here that with a good product everyone can do it..

Well then there must not be one single good product in this world because not everyone can do it. You use the product to be successful, not the other way around.

There are plenty people I know that could have the greatest product and still fail out in no time.

If that were true then the stats would not say that 97% fail because according to you with a good product everyone can do it.

In the end it just comes down to people. It comes down to whether or not THEY have what it takes to succeed.

If a person fails it has nothing to with the product. The blaim soley lies on themselves. It is really that simple.

I am actually in the middle of writing an article on this right now .

America today tries to sit there and blame everything on ANYTHING.

If they fail, well they had the wrong product.

If they fail, well their compl plan wasn't good enough.

If they fail, well the health market is saturated

If they fail, well their upline was to busy for them.

There is just no sense of responsibility in people. They look to the next big thing product to be their ticket out, when they are never going to find that ticket because it doesn't exist.

No product can make a failure successful.

It first has to happen in the mindset.

And I am not trying to be rude here or anything like that.

I want to help people. I want to make money yes, but I am not going to shove everyone out of the way to get it.

I just think the way a person finds success is by finding out how to market, and that is what I am here trying to help people do.

[Curtis Royse Contribution Level: 2]

Landon I totally agree with you 100 percent.

Honestly there are so many people out there advertising with their product and so many people have gotten scammed or have felt ripped off someway. People now are turned OFF to products because they relate them to being scammed!!!

The technique of leading with your product MIGHT have worked in Amway years ago but not now. There is just so many ignorant people on the internet trying to lead with their products to make a fast buck.

I do not know about you Seth but that is someone that I would NOT be joining up under.

People that only care about their product are not in this industry to help others succeed. People that lead with their product will NOT have a duplicatable system for that reason. People that think their product is everything will NOT be as SUCCESSFUL in todays industry of network marketing.

If people feel like they are being helped by a person to succeed they will develop trust and a friendship for that person and this is what Network Marketing is all about. Network Marketing is NOT about selling ANYTHING!!! It is simply about providing valuable information to as many people as possible! That is where the power of duplication lies and that is where the true money is earned.