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[Roy Clinkscales Contribution Level: 2]

I believe the same thing Dean. Thanks for your input.
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[Verniel Cutar Company: Global Domains International, Inc Contribution Level: 3]

When you try to communicate expertise and knowledge WHICH YOU PERSONALLY HAVE, it is called posture.

When you try to communicate expertise and knowledge which you personally don't have, it is called lying.

You cannot give what you don't have.

[Adam Taha Company: Amway Contribution Level: 7]

Brilliant replies on this thread.

You got to check this out guys. Brillaint reply by Richard on Posture, eloquently done dude. Loving it.

Link here
the-lounge-f66/is-attraction-marketing-about-being-a-better-liar-t18144-50.html

I even copied it and sent to team in UK to read it.

Awesome Richard.

Adam

[Judy Blackwell Contribution Level: 2]

If I understand this correctly, having posture means having dignity, self-respect, and faith in myself and whatever product/opportunity/service I am promoting. I have to be well informed about my business and secure in myself to have posture. To lie, I just have to want something you have, and be willing to take it without regard to the ramifications to you or myself. That sounds like a great recipe for (possible) short term monetary success, and long term personal failure... not a viable option.

I appreciate all I've read here today. Thanks to you all. ~Judy

[Jordan Schultz Company: Numis Network Contribution Level: 3]

But . . .

what happens when you know your product/management/comp plan all suck and you're still trying to deliver it? Is that posturing or lying?

Just a thought.

Thanks again. I'll check back in to see what the next brilliant person has to say.

I appreciate this community immensely.

I personally think if you're promoting something you don't believe in, then you will probably not be a very good salesman. Without having a true passion for something, i've found it very hard to sell someone else on the idea of it being a great product or service. However, even if the entire product/plan/comp all suck, and you're still great at selling it, and teaching others how to sell it, then I think that you would have good posture in knowing the fact that you're good at selling it no matter what it is.

[Rodolfo Plascencia Company: Golden Neo Life Diamite Contribution Level: 2]

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A lie is a lie.

Posture is the manifestation of confidence in what you are doing,
where you are going and the unwavering BELIEF that you'll get there.

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Thank you Roy for this very interesting topic of discussion. I wholeheartedly agree with what Richard has to say, but if anything, I'll add that to lie is the equivalent of lacking any integrity in whatever a person says or does in life. Whereas to have a firmly grounded posture is, from among other things, to be full of integrity. Glad to share my thought on the matter, and may all of you in this awesome website that read this and all other posts of the people here present have a wonderful day.

[Jeannie Pitt Contribution Level: 2]

I think, at this point, in this day and age, most people can pick up on a lie. Whether or not they know it, they will be able to sense if you're lying. If you're lying, and you're still getting business, well, I hope you can sleep at night.

Personally, I wouldn't be able to sell something I wasn't passionate about either. Being passionate about your product obviously creates somewhat of a posture, even if you still need practice in that area. Posture helps tremendously, but I'm sure we've all lost it on a call or an email, and still nailed the sale. People relate to the authenticity of what others are saying, and people gravitate toward truth.

Posture or not, no one can ever say I'm not passionate about what I do.

[Roy Clinkscales Contribution Level: 2]

When you try to communicate expertise and knowledge WHICH YOU PERSONALLY HAVE, it is called posture.

When you try to communicate expertise and knowledge which you personally don't have, it is called lying.

You cannot give what you don't have.

Well said Verniel!

And thanks for swinging by Adam, I appreciate the link to Richard's post.

even if the entire product/plan/comp all suck, and you're still great at selling it, and teaching others how to sell it, then I think that you would have good posture in knowing the fact that you're good at selling it no matter what it is.

Interesting point Jordan. I think there is something to be said about that. A part of selling involves giving people what THEY want. And it just may be that what THEY want is "crap" in your book. For instance, let's say you're vegetarian for health reasons and you think meat is bad for the health. You don't even feed it to your children! But, you know that the vast majority of the human population will chomp down on a T-Bone quicker than you can say "Moooooo".

Is it a flaw in character to sell beef when you're a vegetarian? If no deception is involved and the buyer is sold on what they already want, I say not.

Judy, what you said reminded me of something Warren Buffett said, thanks for your input.

Thank you Roldolfo for your input. I wish you success on becoming Director!

Jeannie, even though I don't think that passion for product is always necessary for posture, I do agree that passion about product certainly adds to it. By the way, I checked out your product (I've heard good thing about it) and the leader you're working with. I actually had a chance to meet him face to face a while ago. I wish your team much success in your new venture.

[Philip Wong Contribution Level: 2]

This might be off tangent, but I have a question,

Do actors then make good network marketers? or should it be,

Are some network marketers really good actors?

I've met some pretty interesting characters that do have posture, charisma and say all the right things etc. etc. that gullibles like me have been caught hook, line and sinker - lesson learnt.

How will we screen these nasties out?

Rgds
-Philip.

[Allen Gregory Contribution Level: 2]

But...

what happens when you know your product/management/comp plan all suck and you're still trying to deliver it? Is that posturing or lying?

Hey Tony,

I think the best thing to do when all that stuff sucks (which should seem pretty obvious) is to change it. You're not married to your company. To me, it seems more like a dating relationship. You get together and feel each other out. If everything works out for a while, you take it to the next step and get a little more seious. And if that works out, THEN you get married.

But based on what you're saying, it sounds like you're in a bad marriage that you just want to stay in. I mean, if it wasn't working out when you were dating, what makes you think a marriage would work?

And to tie all this into posturing, I couldn't possibly posture if I knew that all this stuff sucked. THAT would be lying. If all this stuff is great and you know it's great you don't really have to posture. People will just start being attracted to you.

This spawns a whole new thread, I'm starting one in the next 30 seconds. It's called, "Why You Don't Have To Posture to be a Magnetic Marketer."