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Re: Give Me a Break: Stop the Twitter Vanity!

Postby Don Hill on Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:19 pm

Yes, a very old thread, but still quite relevant.

I joined Twitter back in 2009 - when all of this hubbub started - and like everyone else I wondered about its value, at least as far as marketing is concerned. I'm still wondering, especially with the current climate in the "Twitterverse."

Twitter, after all, is just a simple communications tool - no more, and no less. And like any tool, it can be used efficiently and effectively to share ideas and concepts, or it can be abused and end up creating more confusion and "information overload" for everyone involved.

I've never bothered with "Twitter auto-follow" (AKA "friend adding") software, because I saw it (as it has been pointed out more than once in this thread) as "cheating." I hold the philosophy that if you want people to "follow" you, then you've got to give them a solid reason to do so.

But it seems that very few so-called "marketers" just don't.

To them, it's just another strategic platform, a "high vantage point" from which they can indiscriminately spray everyone with their endless spam pitching their "deal." After these sort of tactics pretty much ended MySpace's reign as "the social network of choice" for most people, MySpace was forced to pretty much "re-invent" themselves in an attempt to stem the mass migration of their members to Facebook and other social networks. They're finding it extremely difficult to "un-do" the damage already done to their image, and to their mrket share as well.

Mr. Zuckerberg actually owes a debt of gratitude to those spammers for causing this, but now he and Facebook are starting to find themselves in a similar predicament.

(Microsoft's "Live" social network has never even really got off the ground, with spammers poised at the gate and they practically took it over completely the very day it was launched to the public! Have you noticed the "cloud" ads on TV, which are really an attempt to pump up the membership numbers in the "Live" community by providing "cool stuff" to their members. )

What I feared back in '09 has indeed come to pass with Twitter as well, with so-called "marketers" polluting the atmosphere with an inpenetrable fog of spam and self-aggrandizement, and completely alienating the very people they're trying to reach with their message (if they actually have one other than "buy my stuff").

I believe that if Mike hadn't engaged in the "auto-follow" tactics that he did, and not "outsourced" his "tweets" and had instead simply "tweeted" regularly with information that had value and let it be known that people could "follow" him, then even though he may not have built a following of 10,000+ those followers that he would have acquired would have been much more attentive to his "tweets" and would have been much more inclined to act on them when asked to do so.

(Of course, hindsight is golden, and we all have times when we say to ourselves, "If only I had done that this way instead of what I actually did, how different would things be right now?" I choose not to dwell on such things, note the lesson learned, and simply continue to move forward.)

Twitter is one of the very few places online where "if you build it, they will come" still applies. I subscribe to the philosophy that you should only follow who you want to follow - because you want to hear what they have to say, and not just because you want to somehow rope them into your "deal." If you start building your timeline with more good stuff and fewer pitches to "buy your stuff," you'll find your list of followers steadily growing with people who are actually listening to you.

Big difference!

If there's a "secret" to using Twitter, that's it! (And I didn't charge you a single penny for it ;) )

The one thing that you just can't "outsource" is you - which is the very "soul" and "persona" of your business in the first place. I think that's what Mike discovered with his Twitter "experience." That concept is pretty much true in any form of social media, and any attempts at "automation" are pretty transparent to regular members of the community. Any success is almost always short-lived, and pretty much obsolete by the time a "product" is released telling how to duplicate.

But for some strange reason, that very simple concept continues to escape those "old-school gurus" who just don't seem to comprehend it as they attempt to "automate" a process that's almost always much more effective when left to more "organic" methods.

Instead, they try to capitalize on it in any way they can think of . (Remember, to some of these guys their only motivation is to explode their immediate bottom line!) After all, the professional "product launchers" know that when the cash flow from this "product" starts to slow down, they'll just crank out another "product" over the weekend that'll bring them five or six figures when they ultimately decide to "launch" it.

And thus the circular "IM game" continues...

Again, Twitter is simply another communications tool that can be used right, or it can be abused (sometimes even causing serious injury to one's image as a result of that abuse). Just be leery of anyone who says they're a "master" of Twitter, especially if they want to charge you for their "non-secrets."
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Re: Give Me a Break: Stop the Twitter Vanity!

Postby Michael Cole on Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:44 pm

Very good post. Perhaps I am guilty of over indulgence spamming. I will say that I was "introduced" to social media as a place to get "free leads". Though this is true, you are doing a a dis-service to someone if you tell them that and not explain how to do it. They are going to assume that you then post an ad as though social media was a classified ad. Unfortunately the problem is rampant in the network marketing niche'.
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Re: Give Me a Break: Stop the Twitter Vanity!

Postby Nathan Isaac on Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:13 pm

Hey Don,

What an excellent post. You really hit it on the head with that one :D

It's unfortunate that people just ruin the internet with their crap.

Take a look at google, 9/10 times when I am searching for something,
I have to sift through all the garbage affiliate products.

If you take a look in google, type in:
Code: Select all
Petition to Bring Back the Internet - Raymond Fong's Deep Thoughts


This is a great post Raymond did about the same topic.
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Re: Give Me a Break: Stop the Twitter Vanity!

Postby Don Hill on Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:06 pm

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Re: Give Me a Break: Stop the Twitter Vanity!

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Re: Give Me a Break: Stop the Twitter Vanity!

Postby Edward Caldwell on Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:52 pm

Thought provoking post - and I haven't built a big list, so maybe will save me a lot of effort :-)
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Re: Give Me a Break: Stop the Twitter Vanity!

Postby Debby Taylor on Mon May 09, 2011 11:03 am

This is a really good thought! Only follow who you want to follow and stop all the focus on building an insane and meaningless following. It's starting to sound like a safelist - where people each post their own ads but nobody cares about reading them.

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Re: Give Me a Break: Stop the Twitter Vanity!

Postby Debby Taylor on Mon May 09, 2011 11:03 am

This is a really good thought! Only follow who you want to follow and stop all the focus on building an insane and meaningless following. It's starting to sound like a safelist - where people each post their own ads but nobody cares about reading them.

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Re: Give Me a Break: Stop the Twitter Vanity!

Postby Michael Cole on Thu May 19, 2011 12:44 pm

I basically have a meaning list existence on Twitter (especially since Fernie starting this thread)
When I was new to internet marketing one of the first courses I bought was a course that automated my followers. Therefore I have many spammers who are following me. I am looking to change that. I had a pleasant surprise though on face book when I got a friend request from someone who claims that they follow me on twitter. I am starting to understand twitter allot better :roll:
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Re: Give Me a Break: Stop the Twitter Vanity!

Postby Larry Wentz on Fri May 20, 2011 11:34 am

Well... here goes my 1st post in the forum. I like to call things how I see it & base my feelings on experience. Everyone uses Twitter differently - RT @LarryWentz Twitter Tip - "There is only one way to use Twitter... except for all the other ways"

At this moment - I have over 255,000 followers on Twitter & use auto-follow (haven't tried to grow my follower #s since March 2010 but grew an additional 85,000 followers since then... by the way I grew my following manually and without software). I auto-follow to be social & utilize the public & private "list" features to clear out the clutter . If someone reaches out their hand to shake my hand on Twitter by following me - I shake their hand back by following them as well... it's a social thing to do.

In network marketing - do you prejudge people & decide if they will be interested in your business or not? That is a major mistake IMO... let them decide. Don't pre-judge on Twitter either. If you don't follow people back on Twitter, there is a very good chance they may feel rejected. With those feelings, do you think they will want to conduct business with you? Yes - you will lose business IMO. Here is a good example - I do make income off various sites & have spent a lot of money advertising online. There was one advertising venue that I was considering & read one blog about it from a "super affiliate" who I was following on Twitter & he was following me. When the time came for when I decided to try that advertising venue - I searched for his affiliate link out so that he would be financially compensated for referring me. Guess what... he had decided to unfollow everyone but a select few people on Twitter including me. He lost my business & hundreds of dollars already in affiliate commissions from me because he did that. I signed up with another follower of mine.

Now let's take another example of people who have very large Twitter followings who have unfollowed virtually everyone in one big sweep. There are 2 types of people here that have done that -

1. People who have grown a large Twitter following without trying to grow their followers... they just used auto-follow. For some reason, they decided to unfollow almost everyone instead of using Twitter lists (public & private) to clear out the Twitter stream clutter. Generally these people are celebrities or business authorites.

2. People who actively have tried to grow their follower list by following large amounts of people (most often they used software like Hummingbird to do such) – they then decided to unfollow almost everyone even though they were the one that initially followed the people. Does “Bait & Switch” come to your mind? It should because that is what they did. I know of one business person with a social media service that did this & I happened to be paying monthly fees to them on the service they were selling. My credit card expired & they contacted me for a different card to use… LOL I don’t think so! They should have just shut down their Twitter account & opened a brand new one instead of that tactic IMO – a bit more ethical. I see Twitter accounts of many various sizes doing mass unfollowings… sometimes they do it so they look like they are more important than they really are – a pretend celebrity/guru. Some of these people are business authorities but they made a big mistake doing a mass unfollowing IMO.

I don’t pretend to be a social media guru & even on my twitter page it says “Just a Regular Joe Schmo” & that is how I want people to view me because it is true. What has a large following done for me? A LOT! I’ve had celebrities contact me, special business proposals, have been involved in a weekly Mastermind meeting with very top-notch people from different countries for over a year as well as being asked by my fellow Masterminders to speak at the Social Media 201 conference (turned down the offer - note here is the SMC link for the 301 - http://socialmedia301.com/ ) at the Microsoft Conference Center, gained many new friendships & developed a tremendous asset that I can utilize for different business reasons. I choose to only advertise on rare occasions on Twitter & try to just be my usual corny but motivated self & not a fake.

So in conclusion – I recommend you follow people back & use Twitter lists (public & private) to manage your Twitter streams. Tony Robbins doesn’t follow me & I don’t follow him… but I do have him on my Inspiration/Motivation Twitter list so I can get the benefit of his wisdom.

How should you use Twitter? Use it how "YOU" want to - be yourself! Don't submit to peer pressure or so-claimed guru advice if it doesn't feel right... that includes my advice.

(By the way- I use JustUnfollow.com to unfollow non-followers… lots of people doing the bait & switch tactic & they deserve to be unfollowed)

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