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[Lynda Cromar Company: Empower Network, LLC Contribution Level: 9]

I think there is one thing that seems to be missed. Its great to have a funnel of your own, you can actually completely customize an MLSP funnel. Here is one key thing I have not seen addressed. Can you truly duplicate what you do? Some definitely can, a newbie would not be able to.

Diane Hochman had been doing her own thing for 12 years, she came into MlSP because she recognized that the training and setup was simple for the new person. Its not what the very experienced marketer can do, its a given that you can do it, what about that brand new green person, will you really make them go through a complicated hit or miss process?

[Stephen Meyer Company: Organo Gold, Inc. Contribution Level: 3]

Hi Lynda, what some are saying including myself is your team does not have to do it themselves. Savvy teams within opportunities are doing it for them and making it all available for everyone to use. Lead capture pages, back office training, marketing tools and more are being made available to newbies and old timers alike giving them a system that brands the individual and markets the company without all the clutter of paid systems.

Tell me, if you were a newbie would you prefere your sponsor to tell you to go pay for a system that's generic and unbranded or tell you welcome aboard your system is waiting for you just log in.

It's only difficult if you make it that way.

[Lynda Cromar Company: Empower Network, LLC Contribution Level: 9]

A brand for yourself is the ultimate goal, but we are selling newbie's short when we are telling them they have to establish that on the first day, that is when many fail. In my case it took quite a lot of time to establish. So yes the generic system to get them off and running, learning and growing, then when they are ready to learn about creating their own system, then encourage them to run.

[Lynda Cromar Company: Empower Network, LLC Contribution Level: 9]

Hi Lynda, what some are saying including myself is your team does not have to do it themselves. Savvy teams within opportunities are doing it for them and making it all available for everyone to use. Lead capture pages, back office training, marketing tools and more are being made available to newbies and old timers alike giving them a system that brands the individual and markets the company without all the clutter of paid systems.

Tell me, if you were a newbie would you prefere your sponsor to tell you to go pay for a system that's generic and unbranded or tell you welcome aboard your system is waiting for you just log in.

It's only difficult if you make it that way.

I can tell you this, with the right team you can make it work, its when someone goes it alone that they don't do well. Yes you can build your own, but the newbie is not equipped to do that. I am not telling you there are not any other systems, many have talked of their favorites. My Lead System Pro in my opinion is the best one right now. Could that change, of course!

[Harry Fassett Contribution Level: 4]

I think we are beating a dead horse at this point, and with that, maybe you missed my blog post Lynda, see http://www.betternetworker.com/blogs/vi ... dvertising so I don't have to hash over it here again. Thanks. P.S. All tools and businesses regardless of how simple they are made for most people to use, many will need help and support, so again nothin unique here, and nothing new under the sun.

[Lynda Cromar Company: Empower Network, LLC Contribution Level: 9]

What I meant was how does MLSP compare with EN.....that's a valid question for this thread, isn't it?

Comparing apples to oranges

Empower Network is a blogging platform

MLSP Is a complete Attraction Marketing System

[Stephen Meyer Company: Organo Gold, Inc. Contribution Level: 3]

What I meant was how does MLSP compare with EN.....that's a valid question for this thread, isn't it?

Comparing apples to oranges

Empower Network is a blogging platform

MLSP Is a complete Attraction Marketing System

It is? For the six weeks I was a member I never saw anything related to attraction marketing. What I saw and how it was promoted it is a Lead generation system and affiliate sales system. No ones name or picture goes on any of the lead capture pages provided.

Of course you can set your up your own capture pages in the system but newbies aren't going to do that because they dint know how. Besides, if you can do that what would you need the system for.

I don't like MLSP at all. It's not a completely honest system. But it works for some.

I've been looking at Leaders Club. Designed specifically for MLM. The capture pages aren't quite up to par but they're not misleading at all. Training looks great though.

[Harry Fassett Contribution Level: 4]

Good points by Stephen, also as I stated in my blog post and here, and to recap things quickly. Network Marketing Co's are getting savvy, and are creating and developing new online and offline marketing tools for Distributors and Independent Reps on an on-going basis so there will be no need for third party systems (http://www.betternetworker.com/blogs/vi ... dvertising).

The Company I'm with (see my resource box) is already in the process of upgrading to a 3.0 platform and will pretty much make third party systems like MSLP unnecessary, because they will be offering pretty much the same thing and more, with custom lead capture forms, CRM/autoresponder system, built in automated email campaigns, custom blog, ability to customize one's site to the point of adding social media buttons and share buttons, along with google or whatever analytics one wants to each indivdual page of their site and blog. I could go on, but I think my point should be crystal clear.

Besides, third party systems just "cloud the mind" and take away the laser beam focus a new Distributor or Independent Rep needs to have with their primary business, and that's promoting and marketing it, so in other words, they are more of a dis-service to one's primary business at hand, and are a major distraction to building it.

E.G. I see a lot of MLSP people here on BN also promote the Collectable coins business. Nothing wrong with that, but most people like Stephen mentioned are not going to utilize MLSP to it's fullest potential and most people don't even know what a MS70 coin is let alone buy them, so again, I think personally (my own view point of course) that the collectable coins are from a complete investment standpoint - not good - and mainly just stroke the ego of those buying them and nothing more (heck I used to work for a Co here in LA years ago that sold gold MS70 and other coins and it's a hard sell business to say the least, because they were selling them as an investment), and I notice people that are in prestigious lines of work gravitate toward them like a fly on you know what.

Anyway, I heard this one lady (no names mentioned here, and just for example's sake) that is a lawyer mention that if someone approached her about a network marketing Co. at a Starbucks, she would be uncomfortable with it, and won't have joined the business (coins business) if it were done that way (again EGO is in the way).

But she and many others here and all around the industry that are marketing mainly online forget that the Internet isn't a magic bullet for building your MLM business any more than MLSP or any other online or offline marketing tool is. They are just that, tools and the real building comes from what is between a person's ears, and the massive actions one takes as a result more than anything else.

If the lawyer lady would learn sound offline ways of presenting her business to people in a "low key" kind of way like I do, it will work for her offline too. It's all in how you approach people in and around your area, and since she is a lawyer, she has a huge underlying advantage in a way, because people will think.

Man, she's a lawyer, and she does this business too, there must be something really fantastic about it if that is the case, and that's the way I would be thinking if it were me and I think I'm a pretty reasonable and logical thinker most of the time.

One last thought then back to work... I also notice many people that say that just marketing and branding and selling on the Internet is the best way to do things and they will show you how to get a ton of leads, and use all kinds of fancy online marketing strategies, gimmicks and tools, to get the job done.
Well, they are more than half right, but again, what I've noticed is; are you ready?

Many of them live in a small or very small "bodunk" town with say maybe 50 people in it or so, so how else are they going to sell their product for the business they are a direct selling representative of?

Right, online is really the only way for them for the most part, so there you go. And they are at a huge disadvantage to say a guy like myself who lives just North of downtown Los Angeles for very obvious reasons.

And if you don't have your warm market, and local person to person networking, marketing and selling skills "down pat" then you're not building your business as nearly as efficiently as you can, because you'll be missing about 60 - 80% of the people who will never see your marketing, or advertising message online who may be interested in your products/services, and may become a Distributor as a result of it.

True Story: the President of Snackhealthy (Katherine West) told me a story over the telephone one day about one of the Superstar Reps of the Co who is now making over one million a year plus with Snackhealthy (a lady and I think a WAHM too), and you know how the Superstar lady was found? By a WAHM sign hanging from a post. Read that one over and over again, and then tell me warm or local market isn't important, because you never know, and I mean never know where your next Company Superstar is going to come from.

So anyway, there you have it from my perspective and in giving my two cents as usual...

What I meant was how does MLSP compare with EN.....that's a valid question for this thread, isn't it?

Comparing apples to oranges

Empower Network is a blogging platform

MLSP Is a complete Attraction Marketing System

It is? For the six weeks I was a member I never saw anything related to attraction marketing. What I saw and how it was promoted it is a Lead generation system and affiliate sales system. No ones name or picture goes on any of the lead capture pages provided.

Of course you can set your up your own capture pages in the system but newbies aren't going to do that because they dint know how. Besides, if you can do that what would you need the system for.

I don't like MLSP at all. It's not a completely honest system. But it works for some.

I've been looking at Leaders Club. Designed specifically for MLM. The capture pages aren't quite up to par but they're not misleading at all. Training looks great though.

[Lynda Cromar Company: Empower Network, LLC Contribution Level: 9]

No system does it alone, there must be some mentorship with it as well. Congrats Harry on you company coming up with their own system, I would be interested in knowing how that is working for you!

[Harry Fassett Contribution Level: 4]

Well as you can probably tell by my Snackhealthy site my Social media buttons are gone along with my pic if you've been there before and the site is really in "upgrade" mode, however I do drive literally thousands of visitors there a month, from PPC, article marketing, from BN, Twitter, and great top ten and even top five or higher positions of very juicy keyword terms, and the conversions are very low, but for this industry that's pretty typical.

Offline, I do signs, drop cards, and network with everybody who is willing and able, and exchange information that way, because like I've stated in the post, I live in a very populated area, even though it's very nice, there are literally people everywhere coming and going from different areas from all over the USA.

EG I meet people from all over the world at the train station in the area I live, and train stations are great to meet tons of people quickly, and do drop cards at, because again, people are traveling from all other and end up here in my area. They come to me from all over, and I network with them, simple dimple without a pimple and a "no brainer" and a big gainer Lynda.

Something else... if you've been reading my other posts you'll know I'm getting the healthy snacks into convenient stores, and mini-marts here, and working on getting them into small wholefood stores, and in private schools

The main office is fine with that, as long as it's not a chain store, and there is sole owner or owners there that can become distributors, even though I do most of my stores on consignment because they are used to that, until I can show them how to place wholesale autoship orders, but there is a process to get them to that point too. So there you have it...

No system does it alone, there must be some mentorship with it as well. Congrats Harry on you company coming up with their own system, I would be interested in knowing how that is working for you!