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[Joyce Penner Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 8]

Just got off the phone with a wonderful lady who told me the following story.

She had gone online about 9 months ago to build her network marketing business. She had to generate leads so went to the best she could find. She had to blog so went with the newest hottest blogging thing. She knew all about syndication, signed up with a course to learn all about facebook. She was busy, fighting overwhelm as she blogged daily, commented on others blogs, joined a tribe.

Her husband walked into her office last week and asked her "What are you doing? Seriously have you really asked yourself what you are doing?"

She told me only half laughing that she realized she sounded completely ridiculous as she explained to him, "Well, I'm generating leads so that I can help those leads generate other leads."

And realized, through her own verbalization of what she was doing, that she had completely lost her focus of building her business online.

So she called me and we had a good laugh together as we got to know each other, sharing mutual experiences.

She hung up feeling better about focusing on her network marketing business. I gave her a few tips, sent her a couple of links to look at and we'll talk again.

I have a funny feeling her husband is going to be getting a special hug too. He's the one that asked her the tough questions and expected a clear and concise answer.

That's what we all need - is the person who can bring clarity and focus to our online activities when we're off on a tangent.

I know I need it!
Joyce

[Richard Bravo Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 9]

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Thats a cool story Joyce.
I have conversations with people all day from one end of the spectrum to another.
One of the neat little benefits of "working" a business like this is hearing other people's stories.
You can learn so much from what other people are experiencing... If You Listen.

~ Keep Moving Forward


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[Mario Sanders Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 6]

I liked your story, Joyce.
We stay in a virtual world, we live in real life. Sometimes we just have to get out and meet people and build a business of friendships and acquaintenances. Then you will know why you are doing this.

[Harry Fassett Contribution Level: 4]

After she answered, the husband should have asked her, what are you trying to sell? Is it behind the times, an old dinosaur and momentum is long gone and in the dead zone. From all the things I've learned, and I heard it probably 1000 times too, and it really didn't seep in until now after listening very closely to millionaires in the industry whom I'm working very closely with now, telling me, be in the right position with the right company at the right time.

"Timing is everything." Bobby S. Fischer Former World Chess Champion and in business this is even more so, just ask Bill Gates and well...you can't ask Steve Jobs now that he's gone, but if he was here he would say, yes timing is everything and being in the game way before everybody else matters in any business and it's not something unique to the Network Marketing industry, and many non-business people that come from a "JOB' only back ground and have never done direct sales on commission only, and had to attempt to build a business pass the hobby stage don't seem to be able to see that because they were never taught that.

Again, Kenny, and Christina Hodge, Bobby Smith (another millionaire in the industry) and Debbie Stein who works closely with me and makes over 8k a week in the SH business I'm a distributor in also are great down to earth people who know how to deal with all kinds of people and that's a big key, but only part of it, along with timing, right product/service and being way ahead of the rest of the industry and being in a category and niche by oneself.

I listen to say 90% of the calls and trainings for SH, and learned a very very valuable gem of advice and I gained great knowledge from it, and it was from Donna McPheeters who does the Tuesday and Weds night calls at 6PM, and she said, "I was a top producer with another company and was making great money, but realized I was number 250th level on the bottom of a huge leg in the Co, and the company wasn't in momentum anymore and mostly in maintenance mode with millions of distributors selling the same items.

Then Donna said, "...then I decided to build a SH business and the momentum from advertising that is already being done by the mass media nationwide, and Mrs. Obama and Sports teams doing "lets move" campaigns and healthy eating campaigns has made it so much easier to build my SH business. Plus healthy snacks are not associated with the MLM industry, and people weren't running from me because of it. Plus the best thing is, snacks are not "in addition to" like so many products and services are that people don't really want, or want to add to their already strapped monthly budget, but snacks are something they really do buy, and can get for free..."

That just blew me away. Really. I got of the call thinking Man, this lady Donna (great speaker and presenter btw, it's like she's in her living room and you are there right with her) is one of the most insightful people I've ever heard, and she obviously knows what she is doing because she's in the 300 - 500KI range a year now from what I can gather from where she is at in the business (even though she just said six figures a year, but it's a very high six figures not on the low end by any means), so there you go, another story from the HairDog on the road to SH success. Chaio.

P.S. I left this little tidbit out, but I'll include it here, the President/CEO and founder of Snackhealthy Katherine West is by far the most visionary CEO and President in the Network Marketing Industry to come along in 50 years, and she's a Grand Master at the game, and the results show.

Just got off the phone with a wonderful lady who told me the following story.

She had gone online about 9 months ago to build her network marketing business. She had to generate leads so went to the best she could find. She had to blog so went with the newest hottest blogging thing. She knew all about syndication, signed up with a course to learn all about facebook. She was busy, fighting overwhelm as she blogged daily, commented on others blogs, joined a tribe.

Her husband walked into her office last week and asked her "What are you doing? Seriously have you really asked yourself what you are doing?"

She told me only half laughing that she realized she sounded completely ridiculous as she explained to him, "Well, I'm generating leads so that I can help those leads generate other leads."

And realized, through her own verbalization of what she was doing, that she had completely lost her focus of building her business online.

So she called me and we had a good laugh together as we got to know each other, sharing mutual experiences.

She hung up feeling better about focusing on her network marketing business. I gave her a few tips, sent her a couple of links to look at and we'll talk again.

I have a funny feeling her husband is going to be getting a special hug too. He's the one that asked her the tough questions and expected a clear and concise answer.

That's what we all need - is the person who can bring clarity and focus to our online activities when we're off on a tangent.

I know I need it!
Joyce

[Richard Bravo Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 9]

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Well I'm going to disagree with you here Harry.
That ideology is flawed at the core.

If what you're saying is true, then that means there is no room for success in the industry unless everyone is constantly riding the wave of whats hot at the moment.

Let me share something with you...
In all my years living here in the rugged wilderness and learning survival skills there is an absolute:

Every ember of every camp fire eventually burns out. If you intend to make it out alive, you better have a contingency plan of what to do once the comfy warmth of the glowing fire fades away.

A wildfire can be manufactured anytime.
But what's left after the spark is gone?
That's when the real skills are need to survive.

It happens to be statistically proven that most people die of exposure.
Exposure to the lies.
Exposure to the hype.
Exposure to the truth that the whole thing was built on a house cards
and the wind is blowing.

If what you are saying is true, Apple Computers, a so called dinosaur, would be long gone. Microsoft would be gone. Coke, Dr Pepper, Welches, Mc Donalds, on and on would all be gone. Yesterdays news. Simply because the "opportunity based on positioning around momentum" was gone.

The fact is hype and buzz in the market place are easy to ride.
What you'll find after the music stops is the true business professionals with exceptional marketing skills still standing as the lottery seekers fall away into the dust of what was an exciting, but short ride.

For me that is where the heart of this industry should be more focused.
Sure, celebrate the buzz now. But have a blueprint in place that will afford ongoing success, on a level playing field for anyone that comes along after the buzz.

To me, that's when the real players show up.
That's when you see what the company is really made of.
That's when you see the true merit of the product begin to shine.

That is precisely when you see the so called dinosaur rear its head and show what a prolific corporation based on principles, integrity, a genuine interest in helping people and building a customer base as any legitimate business should be focused on.

If what you say is true, then marketing is a lie.
If what you are saying is true we're all liers - not in the sense good ole Seth says.
I mean genuine hardcore blatant liars.

If what you say is true no one has a chance in hell to ever be a success in this or any industry.
And like I said... luckily what you're saying isnt correct.

We can create new momentum.
We can create new success.
This is an amazing industry.
And I thank God I really do have a platform to genuinely help people
with an absolutely logical expectation founded in practical facts to do so.

I dont have to engage in all the silly hype, parlor tricks or manufactured bullet points.
What I'm apart of is the real mc coy and that empowers us to operate with pure integrity at every level.



PS:
For the record, I find it incredibly interesting that one of the most prolific "turn around" agents in the industry, responsible for helping to create new momentum infuzing over $4Billon+ of new volume into companies supposedly in the "dead zone," Mr. David Colister, who was one of the key players in one of the industry's most recent challenges to explode, create new growth and crazy momentum, has in fact hung his hat with a so called dinosaur.

With teams exceeding over 150,000 distributors in his resume,
I wonder how easy it would be to tell David he's an idiot and made the wrong decision?

As for positioning and being in the right time at the right place...
With over 28 years of business savvy, a sterling reputation,
and proof they can survive an ice age - I'm betting on the dinosaur

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[Harry Fassett Contribution Level: 4]

Well, you didn't read my message very well Richard, or you read into it what you wanted to see, and of course you put your own marketing spin on things and that's ok too.

You said Richard, "That ideology is flawed at the core." And I say exactly the same about what you just said and here's why (and I like a good chess match, and if you ever want to have one, let me know:)

I said, "Timing is everything" and yes it is, and once you are established it's great (e.g. Apple, Microsoft, Google etc.). In other words Bobby Fischer said, "Timing is everything" for a very good reason, because what could have been a great move (marketing move in our case) at the exact wrong time (one move too soon or two late) with the wrong product or service, is an extremely bad move. Let me explain further...

You are referring to a guy that already is established (Mr. David Colister) and sold you on his marketing that the dinasuor is still alive and well. Well maybe the dinasour is alive and well, but he's old and tired, and out of steam. :0) Like Amway for example, and anybody that hears that name runs for the hills because unfortunately Amway got a bad rap and they are associated with the pyramid scheme even though it's not true, but that's the reality 99% miss, so they try to cloak the Amway name with other umbrella names and that's just plain deceptive.

I know because I was in Winners Circle International a long time ago, and they used that name so they didn't have to outright say Amway, and I thought that wasn't right, so I left, because Amway - like it or not - has a bad association attached to it, and I noticed that one of your team members used to be in Amway, and now has moved to what you are doing Richard I guess under your team name.

Well I'm with Team United (Kenny and Christina Hodge; Master Distributors SH; Bobby Smith VP SH, and Debbie Stein; top distributor with SH in 16 months, making over 8K a week and growing fast, and I keep in close touch with Katherine West; President/CEO SH), and on that team working closely with me is self explanatory, if you do your research. The first three are multimillionaires in the industry, and Kenny wrote the compensation plan for SH, and many successful Network Marketing Co's over the years, so he knows the business inside and out.

But again, the vehicle is a big part of the race and where you are sitting at the starting line (that's why they have qualifying in racing Richard to see who gets the "pole position" to start the race, or in football, the coin toss, or in baseball, who gets to get up in the 9th inning to finish the game if at all possible) and timing in the market place it another huge key you seem to be overlooking Richard, because you are sold on this well established Mr. Colister's marketing message, no more, no less just like the coin guy was sold on Ray's marketing message (pay 70% more than the coin is actually worth metal wise, and that's just great marketing:), no more and no less.

Plus the momentum isn't in what you are selling anymore Richard and especially in the Network Marketing industry (like all sports) momentum is 90% of the battle and one still has to work his/her tail off for the rest of the way to make it all come together and work.

So again, you are missing the mark badly and fire or no fire, I grew up camping and fishing all over the USA, and was a boy scout, and I'm pretty sure we went to WY too for a stop at a site or two along the way, because Dad (rest his soul) could take 2 months off during the year, and we would go via a 26ft RV.

We must have visited at least half the states, and we went from CA to SF, back around all the way to Niagara Falls, and all around to ILL, MN, ND, SD, back through TX, OR, UT, NV, and who knows how many states, because I was 14 one trip and 16 on the second round trip.

Anyway, with all that, again, the team I'm with is showing me things that expand ones network fast, and it all encompasses warm marketing, and online marketing and the two are melded together, and what they have taught me makes very good business and networking sense, and they even taught me simple but effect offline marketing methods (along with Big Al, Dani Johnson and others) that actually get people to call me.

Really, results; over the last two months 45+ (not sure of the exact count, but I know I counted at least 45, but it was a little more than that) people have actually called me about the business, not the other way around. Real results from real people, and growing the business, simple at that, because I'm a testimonial for the team and what is working in the real world.

Last glaring example of timing Richard. The guy I do SEO/SEM for almost full time, said if he tried to do what he is doing today, as a start up, he would not have made it nearly as big as he is now, and he's a 32yr old millionaire who lives in the 2 million dollar, home with the Lambo in the garage along with two other luxury cars, and lives among the Stars and Hollywood producers at the very top of the hill in a double gated area. He, had only 900 dollars in his pocket to start with 11 years ago, so you tell him that timing in the Marketplace isn't very very important with the right product/service and execution, because now he's well established, and has a large cash "war chest", and can withstand the competition now. Get what I'm saying now Richard? Anyway, I hope this helps. Chaio. HF

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Well I'm going to disagree with you here Harry.
That ideology is flawed at the core.

If what you're saying is true, then that means there is no room for success in the industry unless everyone is constantly riding the wave of whats hot at the moment.

Let me share something with you...
In all my years living here in the rugged wilderness and learning survival skills there is an absolute:

Every ember of every camp fire eventually burns out. If you intend to make it out alive, you better have a contingency plan of what to do once the comfy warmth of the glowing fire fades away.

A wildfire can be manufactured anytime.
But what's left after the spark is gone?
That's when the real skills are need to survive.

It happens to be statistically proven that most people die of exposure.
Exposure to the lies.
Exposure to the hype.
Exposure to the truth that the whole thing was built on a house cards
and the wind is blowing.

If what you are saying is true, Apple Computers, a so called dinosaur, would be long gone. Microsoft would be gone. Coke, Dr Pepper, Welches, Mc Donalds, on and on would all be gone. Yesterdays news. Simply because the "opportunity based on positioning around momentum" was gone.

The fact is hype and buzz in the market place are easy to ride.
What you'll find after the music stops is the true business professionals with exceptional marketing skills still standing as the lottery seekers fall away into the dust of what was an exciting, but short ride.

For me that is where the heart of this industry should be more focused.
Sure, celebrate the buzz now. But have a blueprint in place that will afford ongoing success, on a level playing field for anyone that comes along after the buzz.

To me, that's when the real players show up.
That's when you see what the company is really made of.
That's when you see the true merit of the product begin to shine.

That is precisely when you see the so called dinosaur rear its head and show what a prolific corporation based on principles, integrity, a genuine interest in helping people and building a customer base as any legitimate business should be focused on.

If what you say is true, then marketing is a lie.
If what you are saying is true we're all liers - not in the sense good ole Seth says.
I mean genuine hardcore blatant liars.

If what you say is true no one has a chance in hell to ever be a success in this or any industry.
And like I said... luckily what you're saying isnt correct.

We can create new momentum.
We can create new success.
This is an amazing industry.
And I thank God I really do have a platform to genuinely help people
with an absolutely logical expectation founded in practical facts to do so.

I dont have to engage in all the silly hype, parlor tricks or manufactured bullet points.
What I'm apart of is the real mc coy and that empowers us to operate with pure integrity at every level.



PS:
For the record, I find it incredibly interesting that one of the most prolific "turn around" agents in the industry, responsible for helping to create new momentum infuzing over $4Billon+ of new volume into companies supposedly in the "dead zone," Mr. David Colister, who was one of the key players in one of the industry's most recent challenges to explode, create new growth and crazy momentum, has in fact hung his hat with a so called dinosaur.

With teams exceeding over 150,000 distributors in his resume,
I wonder how easy it would be to tell David he's an idiot and made the wrong decision?

As for positioning and being in the right time at the right place...
With over 28 years of business savvy, a sterling reputation,
and proof they can survive an ice age - I'm betting on the dinosaur

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[Joyce Penner Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 8]

Congratulations Harry. Sounds like your business is going well.

Is it your upline that encourages you to dish MLM, refer to it as a dinosaur?

If that's the case, I would be very careful Harry with what you are involved with. Anyone who builds anything (MLM or otherwise) based on putting someone or something else down is headed for failure.

Joyce

[Harry Fassett Contribution Level: 4]

First off, thanks and yes Joyce, I'm doing ok, but I'll keep you posted on actual results (good, bad, or indifferent), and not fuzzy math, or no result updates like most have ok? And Joyce, maybe you didn't read my post either and read what you wanted into it too, and that's ok.

Not putting anybody, or any one company down per say, just comparing what we have on our plate and no offense to you Joyce, but people that say "putting others down" and "you're being negative" are the very same people that smile and put on a happy face online, but are not making any money and never learn sales, and marketing the right way, and just keep smiling, but not making money. Not saying that's you, but heck, we live in the real world right, and one has to get serious about business, and it's great to be happy and stress free all the time, but that's not reality and that's not real life. Maybe internet life, but not real life that most don't like to confront

Plus as I stated before Joyce, someone or the Government must be paying the happy all the time crowds bills online, because as Mary Kay once said, "...you must have a sense of urgency daily about your business at hand, and take it seriously as a business..." and she's right. However there are tons online that keep on smiling are putting on a false front as they say, and then telling me or you how to make one million bucks with just a dollar to start out with, and smiling and being happy, and lying to people and that is more deceptive than anything I know of.

Flatter people with BS, and then tell them crap about how to make money online or off, and they are not doing it, and not even close to doing it, and they couldn't say the exact same thing with a straight face to a friend, family member, co-worker or business associate without being laughed out of the room or wherever they are.

Do me a favor Mr. and Mrs. happy all the time, show me the real you, because you can't be that happy all the time or you are just in plain denial or again, inherited a big chunk of change you didn't work for (nothing wrong with that either) and are sitting pretty already, and doing have to worry about bills or taking care of a family and the bills, i.e. lots of work and yes, there is stress, and that is just part of living.

So again, you have to be careful yourself Joyce saying what you are saying because you are wrongly accusing people of being negative, and "putting down" as you say, when there is a very legit debate going on and those that can dish it out, but can't take a different point of view that may be much more accurate than theirs, are the ones that say the kind of stuff you say too Joyce, so again, be careful too who you wrongly accuse of wrong doing or "putting down, when real people that spend real money, and time along with hard work to get into a business want to know the truth as close as they can get to it, good, bad, and ugly, and if what you feel or think is negative about that, and a put down to someone or some business, when in reality it is just plain constructive reasoning, (e.g. the Ben Franklin approach of pros and cons) so be it. Chaio.

HF P.S. And yes, having the right product/service at the right time in the marketplace is just being savvy, and people aren't stupid Joyce, and once they know that they don't have to pay extra for supplements - means "in addition to", or other non-food items, on top of their monthly food bill, when they are already purchasing food and snack foods is a huge plus and selling point, especially when they know they are very good for them, and their children. Plus gluten and soy free (perfect for diabetics, and diabetes is at epidemic proportions here in LA), and still taste great unlike most that taste like card board without the gluten and soy in them.

Plus in yahoo news not too long ago, there was an article on how sugar related deceases killer more people WW than cigarettes did last year, and the FDA was thinking of labeling sugar and "high fructose corn syrup" a toxin like cigarettes with a similar label, and cross bones. Really.

So it's crystal clear, we have an eating too much bad carbs, processed sugars, and processed foods problem here in the USA, and that has to be worked on first and foremost, and not try to get people to take an "in addition to" product when their eating habits are way out of control, because the "in addition to" magic potion isn't going to do the trick and make things all better now.

I heard someone say that taking a curtain supplement needed to be in saturation in one's body to work, well yes and no, and I'm not going to go into it here, but I did realize one thing about the product he was taking and it has ginko in it, and there are tons of products and drinks even here in LA that have ginko, and all types of good and not so good stuff in them, but if you do your research, you have to be carefull how much ginko you take and in some people too much ginko can cause internal bleeding, so too much of a good thing can be bad too like a lot of things. See http://www.livestrong.com/article/41981 ... ch-ginkgo/ Good Day! healthysnackmoms

Congratulations Harry. Sounds like your business is going well.

Is it your upline that encourages you to dish MLM, refer to it as a dinosaur?

If that's the case, I would be very careful Harry with what you are involved with. Anyone who builds anything (MLM or otherwise) based on putting someone or something else down is headed for failure.

Joyce

[Richard Bravo Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 9]

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Harry maybe I read your post incorrectly, but it sounded to me like you were taking a shot at Joyce, a friend and business partner, and Im just not the kind of person who sits by and watches my friends get jumped. Maybe its the Spaniard in me, or the Irishman or the Native American that has a tendency to fight.
Maybe I was just in a mood

What I saw was a dis followed by a self serving promotion... If I read wrong I apologize.

Why dont we just squash it here and move on.


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[Harry Fassett Contribution Level: 4]

Where's the shot Richard??? Not seeing it? Really. She said I was putting someone or some business down and what exactly did I say that was negative or a put down? I still don't get it? When someone gives an objective view point that may not be congruent with their way of thinking or view, they automatically call it negative or a put down, so I'm not getting it?

Anyway, no harm no foul from what I can gather, and not worth it, so right, lets move on. Chaio

HF P.S. Keep me up to date on your team and I'll keep you up to date on results from our Team United, because it's good to keep score, and that way, we can see what is really producing real world results and not just talk. Fair enough?

This business is as tough as it gets online or offline and even though the model is simple, even some of the best sales people I know have a hard time with it. The ladies, I work with really make it look easy, and it's not, and that's extremely hard to do, make it look easy, and they (Christina and Debbie) are way ahead of me and in a class way above my skill level when it comes to doing this business, and I'm learning a ton from them and Bobby Smith (VP SH), and the results and paychecks they get show it. Anyway, again, it's all team work, and most never get a great team to work with really, and so no results to speak of materialize. HF

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Harry maybe I read your post incorrectly, but it sounded to me like you were taking a shot at Joyce, a friend and business partner, and Im just not the kind of person who sits by and watches my friends get jumped. Maybe its the Spaniard in me, or the Irishman or the Native American that has a tendency to fight.
Maybe I was just in a mood

What I saw was a dis followed by a self serving promotion... If I read wrong I apologize.

Why dont we just squash it here and move on.


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