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[Eldon Beard Company: Other / Not ListedContribution Level: 2]

Something I've found interesting....I had someone ask me recently if I knew anything about Carbon Copy Pro. They were intrigued because Mike Dillard is involved. With Mike's good reputation and the outstanding quality of his educational and training materials, that is understandable.

Here's the paradox I'm seeing.

Better Networker is known as a gathering place for people pursuing MLM/network marketing opportunities.

Mike Dillard's best known products (Magnetic Sponsoring for one) are oriented toward teaching methods for achieving success in MLM/network marketing.

Carbon Copy Pro and the opportunity they represent, Wealth Masters International, is very prominent here. However, some in their signatures and comments proudly proclaim that CCP is NOT MLM.

Mike's "Coffee House Letter" that assists in promoting this opportunity starts out like this (assuming this is the correct version of it):

If you're looking to achieve financial freedom from home, specifically through a "MLM" or network marketing opportunity, you're in for a rude awakening my friend.

Carbon Copy Pro and WMI may be one of the greatest business opportunities out there, and I'm certainly not being critical of it. I'm just puzzled by the "thank goodness this isn't MLM" approach that seems to come even from Mike himself.

[Sean Soboleski Contribution Level: 2]

hi EBeard,

Mike Dillard's training materials like magnetic sponsoring can be used for any network marketing company or any mlm company to help you build those businesses. Carbon Carbon Copy Pro is not MLM, but it is internet network marketing. You do know there's a difference, right?

There is no inconsistency is Mike's message promoting CarbonCopy Pro and his magnetic sponsoring products.

I'm involved with Carbon Copy Pro, and I've read/listened to all of Mike's products, which I endorse as well - extremely pleased with both. They work well together.

And your quoted language is not from the Coffee House Letter. Click my signature to see the text of the Coffee House Letter. You are misunderstanding Mike's letter. I think you need to read through it completely to understand the contrast it draws between traditional MLM and the new trend of internet network marketing. Feel free to send me a direct message on this issue as well.
Sean

[Eldon Beard Company: Other / Not ListedContribution Level: 2]

Hello Sean,

I followed your link, gained access to the Coffee House letter, it's the same one with the same language I quoted above. I copied the below directly from the page I land on after entering an email address:

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"The Coffee House Letter"
Why Networkers Are Throwing in the Towel on Downline Building, And Using a New Concept Called G.P.T. to Make More Money Than Ever…

Location: Starbucks, 1:47 PM.
Subject: "The Painful Truth..."

If you're looking to achieve financial freedom from home, specifically through a "MLM" or network marketing opportunity, you're in for a rude awakening my friend.
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I did read the letter. I do understand the contrast it draws between traditional MLM and the concept of "internet network marketing". Many things in the letter make sense.

As I mentioned before, I'm not trying to be critical of CCP or WMI. I actually think the concept is interesting. I guess the "thank goodness this isn't MLM" angle seems odd coming from people who are well-known MLM trainers and coaches.

[Lou Abbott Company: Other / Not ListedContribution Level: 2]

Hello Eldon, Sean, and others who may know,

It is my impression that Wealth Masters is an MLM as well, is that not true?
If so, what kind of compensation plan does it have?

Same question for Carbon Copy Pro? Is it a single level affiliate program or does it also pay on more than one level?

Always a little curious about this myself,

Lou Abbott
Founder
http://www.MLM-theWholeTruth.com
...for people who want to know the whole truth about the M.L.M industry

[Peter Arnold Contribution Level: 2]

'Mornin Gents:

In a sense, I raised this very same issue here a few weeks ago - had a lively discussion with Mike Dillard in that thread.

I must say, he was very open and direct with me, which I appreciated - it helped clarify for me (although I still have some strong feelings about the 'Coffee House Letter' as showing TOP TIER SALES deals as a far better answer than "traditional MLM" businesses ((and I'm 'with' WMI, although no longer 'working' it)).

CCP (Carbon Copy Pro) - This is simply a (powerful) Marketing System to bring prospects to the Top Tier Sales biz, WMI (Wealth Masters International) -- just as RFS (Reverse Funnel System) is, for bringing them to the Top Tier Sales biz, GRN (Global Resorts Network), etc.

Here's that thread, for anyone wishing to see it...

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16630#p45674

Sincerely / Peter A.
http://www.PeterArnoldOnline.com

Peter Arnold, CLU, CFC / Founder
Business Achievers Academy / Canada

[Sean Soboleski Contribution Level: 2]

Thanks for posting that link...here's the text

I have no allegiance to either "network marketing" or "top tier". The two businesses are EXACTLY the same, except for the details of the compensation plan.

They both involve selling products, recruiting distributors, they both pay on multiple levels, and both have residual aspects to their plans. Once again, the only difference is HOW the money is paid out.

Traditional MLM companies pay out in small monthly increments of $5 to $10 per order (assuming supplements). "GPT" compensation plans pay out everything up front.

Anyone who's an investor would obviously take the lump sum up front, because money loses value over time (inflation). That money can then be re-invested back into the business, or into real estate, etc...

If you asked me which compensation plan I prefer, it's GPT for all the reasons stated in the CHL. They are all based on logic, personal experience, and have proven over the last 3 years, to be life-changing insights to those who decided they preferred that compensation model as well.

Interestingly enough, a hint of proof can be found on the BN site through the advertisers. Most of them are using GPT, Top Tier businesses, and some are even on my team. We don't give them special preference of any kind. Anyone's money is good here as the next

Maybe it's their compensation model that allows them to afford to advertise here more than the average person in an MLM?

In the end it's simply my opinion, which I am entitled to, as you are entitled to yours. And it is my opinion that the average person has a better chance of achieving financial freedom with a Top Tier company, than a traditional MLM which is exactly why I wrote that letter.

And because I truly believe that with every fiber of my being, I am obligated to share what I've found to be true with others, because I know for a fact, that they will benefit from it.

Failure to do so because I'd fear what some people might say would make me a coward, which I am not.

As for the "colorful" headlines distributors are using to promote the CHL, well that's their decision, and it's just called marketing a USP (Unique Selling Point). I did not write those marketing pieces or banners. (Not that it would matter anyway).

Again, I have no problems with MLM or Top Tier. They are the EXACT same businesses, but with different

I cannot express it better than Mike Dillard's comments above, when read with the actual text of the Coffee House Letter. I think it's clear that getting paid up front now is better than getting paid small checks over time from a traditional mlm "downline". CCPRO and WMI are not traditional MLMs. Check us out in detail to see why this is so important. Anyone with specific questions can connect with me here and send a direct message.

[Forest Marie Company: Other / Not ListedContribution Level: 4]

First of all, Mike is a marketer and as a marketer, you need to learn how to play all the sides and deliver the verbiage that resonates with the target audience you're attracting. That's simply the point of the CHL - to attract higher caliber people that will throw some serious money at making money from the comfort of their home.

Secondly, CCPro is not MLM because CCPro is simply a marketing system that you get paid an affiliate commission on and you get paid on the sale of the physical product (The business in a box). It's 1 level deep.

WMI is a 2-level direct sales company and thus a business opportunity. I believe it's not considered a business opp unless it's 2 or more levels. I'm not sure what the 'technical' definition of MLM is, but when I think of MLM versus direct sales, I think of two disparate cultures. One uses terms like get paid today, entrepreneurs wanted, investment required, executive level income and the other uses terms like BP, forced matrix, binary, spillover, start a business under $50, etc.

I will say that in traditional MLM the most I hit was $1800 a month. With CCPro and WMI, multiply that by 10. And now I'm marketing with millionaires and six figure sales professionals. I love it.

And not to hi-jack a thread or anything, but for those interested in CarbonCopyPRO, I just completed my report titled:

"How to Build a Successful CarbonCopyPRO Business by Reaching Millions of Laser Targeted Subscribers Almost Instantly"

If you want it, PM me your request.


Forest

P.S. I'm not exactly a "social networker." I believe in throwing out money to make more and watching 24, talking to people about marketing and other interests, hanging out and pondering the meaning of life with my time.

The report contains methods that cost money (a lot of them very affordable), so if you're looking for freebie leads or methods that requires tons of time and absolutely no money, consider building Building on a Budget from Mike. They definitely work very well, but they take time.

[Ferny Ceballos Company: Wealth Masters InternationalContribution Level: 4]

Hi Eldon,

I think Mike has addressed this on other threads, but I'll just paraphrase it.

The difference between WMI and mlm businesses, is the comp plan. He's railing on the MLM - build a large organization comp plan. The opportunity still is based on recruiting new reps and sales, albeit far fewer than traditional MLM.

Carbon Copy Pro is the marketing system for the opportunity, but not the biz opp itself.

Although, I would highly recommend doing something to set yourself apart from other CCPro members, so you are not perceived as being "just another CCPro" member. Similar to how Forest created the report for his team.

Ultimately, people are still joining YOU, not CCPro or WMI.

-Ferny

[Forest Marie Company: Other / Not ListedContribution Level: 4]

Ferny -- Will you be in Vegas for M2?

[Eldon Beard Company: Other / Not ListedContribution Level: 2]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate the feedback and better understand the perspective from which Mike and others are coming here. To the casual observer, though, it still seems contradictory (as stated in Peter's post in another thread titled "Which Side is Mike Dillard On?")

So, in this type of plan, is there any residual at all?