Integrity is definitely the only option in building a business. I have found in every aspect of life - including business - that people are searching for sincerity and honesty in everything. Nothing in life is important enough to warrant gain through dishonesty. That type of gain is never long-lasting.
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Vicki Mullins
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Re: money vs. morality
@Tony - Hype and lying are 2 different things for me.
Here's an example of system hype: "All you have to do is follow our system. It's proven to work!"
That's probably the truth, but what bugs me is how well does it work. Using a duplicatable system, you should be able to get some statistics.
The problem is...there are many things at play if you're not using a scientific marketing strategy.
Would you rather follow a system that gets 2% conversions online with the cold market for the majority of people, or something that gets 0.01% with the same market?
It's pretty obvious, but there's a lot of BS pushed to make somebody believe that they really do have a chance just by using a play of words. That's what I mean by hype...and that's the difference between hype and lying.
Charles
Here's an example of system hype: "All you have to do is follow our system. It's proven to work!"
That's probably the truth, but what bugs me is how well does it work. Using a duplicatable system, you should be able to get some statistics.
The problem is...there are many things at play if you're not using a scientific marketing strategy.
Would you rather follow a system that gets 2% conversions online with the cold market for the majority of people, or something that gets 0.01% with the same market?
It's pretty obvious, but there's a lot of BS pushed to make somebody believe that they really do have a chance just by using a play of words. That's what I mean by hype...and that's the difference between hype and lying.
Charles
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Charles Amith
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Re: money vs. morality
Lying is a sad way, in some business people's minds, to win a sale. News flash: you might win a sale; you have likely (& hopefully!) lost a customer! I would rather have my reputation in tact and not mislead anyone into making a decision on false information (a lie!).
"Hype" in on a continuum; I am all for product or business promotion based on genuine excitement based in fact. When people are pushing or using hype in an exaggerated way, without facts or research to back up what they are saying ... again, I see it putting value on an individual sale vs. a customer ~ a human being! The customer/consultant and relationship ... and my integrity ... win every time! People who lie are desperate sellers, and it's obvious. ~ Patti
"Hype" in on a continuum; I am all for product or business promotion based on genuine excitement based in fact. When people are pushing or using hype in an exaggerated way, without facts or research to back up what they are saying ... again, I see it putting value on an individual sale vs. a customer ~ a human being! The customer/consultant and relationship ... and my integrity ... win every time! People who lie are desperate sellers, and it's obvious. ~ Patti
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Patti Magyar
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Re: money vs. morality
This is the number one issue that taints this business (and any business for that matter). I can't stand the hype, false promises and sales-like fake speech of so many network marketers on the phone, on YouTube videos or in the writing on their lead capture pages. It's just not worth it in the long run to lie. Beyond losing downline members and customers over time when they see who you really are, how do these people live with themselves when everything they do is based on over-hyping things and lying? I don't get it. Do they have no sense of morality or a conscience? I guess greed rules all in this industry just like in the world at large.
Not to get too far off topic, but I believe that a form of lying is not telling the whole truth. And network marketers are notorious for not telling people what they need to know to make an informed decision when they are considering joining a business opportunity. Here's tip number one for those that think they can just present partial information and leave crucial aspects out when pitching their home business to a prospect: The actual company that you are working with, you know, the one that provides the compensation plan, manufactures the products and pays you for your efforts (and is also the only reason you are able to function as a home business owner in the first place) should be mentioned by name to the prospect very early on in the recruiting process so that they can do proper research and find out if the company is a good fit for them.
The whole argument of "you can't feed a baby a steak" is irrelevant, and as it relates to network marketing, absolute garbage. Yes, you can and should feed the baby the steak in this instance. Let them know everything, and be as open and honest as possible, or you are just as guilty as the scam-artists who sell false promises and over-hype their opportunities in search of a quick buck, with no thoughts or cares as to how it affects the innocent individual who's just been taken.
Not to get too far off topic, but I believe that a form of lying is not telling the whole truth. And network marketers are notorious for not telling people what they need to know to make an informed decision when they are considering joining a business opportunity. Here's tip number one for those that think they can just present partial information and leave crucial aspects out when pitching their home business to a prospect: The actual company that you are working with, you know, the one that provides the compensation plan, manufactures the products and pays you for your efforts (and is also the only reason you are able to function as a home business owner in the first place) should be mentioned by name to the prospect very early on in the recruiting process so that they can do proper research and find out if the company is a good fit for them.
The whole argument of "you can't feed a baby a steak" is irrelevant, and as it relates to network marketing, absolute garbage. Yes, you can and should feed the baby the steak in this instance. Let them know everything, and be as open and honest as possible, or you are just as guilty as the scam-artists who sell false promises and over-hype their opportunities in search of a quick buck, with no thoughts or cares as to how it affects the innocent individual who's just been taken.
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Jeffrey Mirro
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Re: money vs. morality
In my previous, traditional NM company, one of the top leaders (that was with the company since the early 80's) taught everybody to always push positives down and negatives up. That's like the idea mentioned about not feeding a baby steak. While that was "what worked" that created a bunch of drones pushing deceptive marketing tactics that I personally didn't want to follow. Unfortunately there are people that sell their soul just to make money.
All I could say is do your due diligence and learn more about building a business outside of the box. There are a lot of leaders that I've known personally that have built their business this way but don't tell anybody since they feel what they did was not duplicatable.
I'll tell you now that any business is not simple or easy. A system could be simple, but business in its whole entirety is not...for the majority anyways.
Charles
All I could say is do your due diligence and learn more about building a business outside of the box. There are a lot of leaders that I've known personally that have built their business this way but don't tell anybody since they feel what they did was not duplicatable.
I'll tell you now that any business is not simple or easy. A system could be simple, but business in its whole entirety is not...for the majority anyways.
Charles
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Charles Amith
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Re: money vs. morality
Why would anyone lie to build their business, that would not help build the long term income we are all working towards.
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Chris Smith
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Re: money vs. morality
always, do the right thing
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Ewan Robb
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Re: money vs. morality
I totally agree with you Patti! 
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Jeff Dingman
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Re: money vs. morality
Lying is not an option, some lie? yes, but eventually they will be find out. The best way to build is based on honesty, not only you can build fast, but more solid. The problem I see today is that with many gurus teaching about branding many forgot, conveniently to tell people not to lie, it is why we see so many self-proclaim experts lying about their experience leading a lot of people to failure.
George Ruiz
George Ruiz
lukash wrote:how do you deal with moral self when building up your business? are you willing to lie in order to gain more money, more leads, more traffic, etc.?
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george Ruiz
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Re: money vs. morality
CharlesAmith wrote:I'm not sure about this statistically, but out of the all of the NM companies I've looked into, 100% of them used hype. While hype may not be what people logically want, hype sells on the emotional side. There's extreme hype and minimal hype...and it's not always dependent on the company - it depends on which person is actually selling.
Charles
I don't agree, I would say that many companies are not into hype, if you find hype is mostly in some distributors. Hype only attract people who are looking for an easy way out, real seekers can see what is real or not.
Saying that, yes, there are companies that are into hype but they are walking a dangerous path of self destruction that will caught with them sooner or later.
George Ruiz
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george Ruiz
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