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Re: Why so many jonathon budd sites with no branding?

Post by Chad Glass on Sun May 10, 2009 1:52 pm

NumberOneGeneTeam wrote:
spooon wrote:so the question comes then if out of 10 people, 9 of them have the replicated website and 1 is an original video.

Will the original video win the conversion over a lead that saw all 10?

Most people doing their homework visit multiple capture pages from many different systems. Like the user stated before in which he opted into many sites. If you hit 9 capture site with Budd's grill then come to one similar but was original I gotta wonder how the numbers will look.

Not saying this is common but when i found my sponsor i was "attracted" due to the fact they were different.

Leaders step outside of the mold and I was looking for that and what I continue to strive for.




This is the exact reason that i am stepping away from the system asap, the conversions in some markets are getting worse because they are saturated with the same thing. 100's of people using the same system, getting the same training are saturating the same markets.

Originality is going to surpas the system in a short amount of time unless people start using marketing mediums that are original, and not the layout of the system creator.

Jeff Mitchell


That is an excellent and well-stated point.


Before long, the basic 2.0 MLM online model of the personality on camera funnel/opt-in/free boot camp/autoresponder campaign/entry sell/upsell/follow up/repeat can only be touted as innovative for so long before it is being marketed by too many people.

As more and more product-incest occurs, the premise will lose uniqueness until the nature of the internet changes to 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, and so on... alas, new systems will be pioneered and developed and there will be a new legion of gurus who sell systems --probably the same people as they remain on the path of the latest breakthroughs.

Personally I do not desire to recreate yet another "system" inasmuch as I have and want to market my own products using the marketing techniques pioneered by others, but not to then create another marketing "system". The funnel marketing model has already been invented. There is nothing to pioneer there.

In other words, Mike Dillard, Jonathan Budd, are selling marketing itself. They're not selling chocolate bars or hamburgers. You can indeed employ their techniques to sell products other than marketing products themselves. But in their case, the product itself is the technique.

Re: Why so many jonathon budd sites with no branding?

Post by NumberOneGeneTeam on Sun May 10, 2009 1:32 pm

spooon wrote:so the question comes then if out of 10 people, 9 of them have the replicated website and 1 is an original video.

Will the original video win the conversion over a lead that saw all 10?

Most people doing their homework visit multiple capture pages from many different systems. Like the user stated before in which he opted into many sites. If you hit 9 capture site with Budd's grill then come to one similar but was original I gotta wonder how the numbers will look.

Not saying this is common but when i found my sponsor i was "attracted" due to the fact they were different.

Leaders step outside of the mold and I was looking for that and what I continue to strive for.




This is the exact reason that i am stepping away from the system asap, the conversions in some markets are getting worse because they are saturated with the same thing. 100's of people using the same system, getting the same training are saturating the same markets.

Originality is going to surpas the system in a short amount of time unless people start using marketing mediums that are original, and not the layout of the system creator.

Jeff Mitchell

Re: Why so many jonathon budd sites with no branding?

Post by spooon on Sun May 10, 2009 1:14 pm

I wonder if anyone with Budd's system has tested the entire process

-split testing conversion % between budd videos and your own videos for:

1) split testing conversions % leads
2) split testing conversion % to system users
3) split testing conversion % to primary business signups

I would think primary signups would suffer.


Tsnyder wrote:
spooon wrote:so the question comes then if out of 10 people, 9 of them have the replicated website and 1 is an original video.

Will the original video win the conversion over a lead that saw all 10?

Most people doing their homework visit multiple capture pages from many different systems. Like the user stated before in which he opted into many sites. If you hit 9 capture site with Budd's grill then come to one similar but was original I gotta wonder how the numbers will look.

Not saying this is common but when i found my sponsor i was "attracted" due to the fact they were different.

Leaders step outside of the mold and I was looking for that and what I continue to strive for.


The only way to know the answer to your question is to put up 9 identical sites and 1 unique site and somehow devise a way to cause 10,000 people to view all 10 of them... and track the results.

See... there's the problem. It's not a question any serious marketer would waste time wondering about.

Here's a better scenario that can actually be done. Put up 2 sites... one that comes with the system and one where the only changes are whatever it is that identifies the spokesperson... video, pictures, whatever.

Now, drive a few thousand visitors to each site with a split test script and track the results. You'll have YOUR answer. The problem is it won't be a universal answer because the skill of the presenter plays a large part in those results so one individual might be able to beat the control while the next 500 fail miserably.

For the vast majority of people in network marketing the smart money is using tools that have been produced by those with the skill and resources to do it effectively. Why anyone would try to convince you otherwise is beyond me...

Tsnyder

Re: Why so many jonathon budd sites with no branding?

Post by verniel_cutar on Sun May 10, 2009 2:11 am

Hello there. The people who use J. Budd's marketing system are leveraging HIS success. Most of these affiliates are new to the industry and haven't got a success story to tell yet. So in situations like this, it's not bad to leverage someone else's success...at a small fee of course. I understand Jonathan earns repeatedly on networkers who decide to use his system, at the same time time, these affiliates are earning commissions from affiliate products. It's a win win situation.

Of course, every networker should aim to be able to brand himself and start his own marketing system. But for a start, it's always a wise idea to follow a leader first. When you've built enough experience and a certain level of success using a proven system, you may choose to venture on your own and be the next Jonathan Budd, Mike Dillard or Ann Sieg.

Note: I am not a Jonathan Budd affiliate, neither am I connected in any way to his products and business organization.

Re: Why so many jonathon budd sites with no branding?

Post by Tsnyder on Sun May 10, 2009 1:04 am

spooon wrote:so the question comes then if out of 10 people, 9 of them have the replicated website and 1 is an original video.

Will the original video win the conversion over a lead that saw all 10?

Most people doing their homework visit multiple capture pages from many different systems. Like the user stated before in which he opted into many sites. If you hit 9 capture site with Budd's grill then come to one similar but was original I gotta wonder how the numbers will look.

Not saying this is common but when i found my sponsor i was "attracted" due to the fact they were different.

Leaders step outside of the mold and I was looking for that and what I continue to strive for.


The only way to know the answer to your question is to put up 9 identical sites and 1 unique site and somehow devise a way to cause 10,000 people to view all 10 of them... and track the results.

See... there's the problem. It's not a question any serious marketer would waste time wondering about.

Here's a better scenario that can actually be done. Put up 2 sites... one that comes with the system and one where the only changes are whatever it is that identifies the spokesperson... video, pictures, whatever.

Now, drive a few thousand visitors to each site with a split test script and track the results. You'll have YOUR answer. The problem is it won't be a universal answer because the skill of the presenter plays a large part in those results so one individual might be able to beat the control while the next 500 fail miserably.

For the vast majority of people in network marketing the smart money is using tools that have been produced by those with the skill and resources to do it effectively. Why anyone would try to convince you otherwise is beyond me...

Tsnyder

Re: Why so many jonathon budd sites with no branding?

Post by spooon on Sat May 09, 2009 11:23 pm

so the question comes then if out of 10 people, 9 of them have the replicated website and 1 is an original video.

Will the original video win the conversion over a lead that saw all 10?

Most people doing their homework visit multiple capture pages from many different systems. Like the user stated before in which he opted into many sites. If you hit 9 capture site with Budd's grill then come to one similar but was original I gotta wonder how the numbers will look.

Not saying this is common but when i found my sponsor i was "attracted" due to the fact they were different.

Leaders step outside of the mold and I was looking for that and what I continue to strive for.

Re: Why so many jonathon budd sites with no branding?

Post by jeromera on Sat May 09, 2009 10:39 pm

If you want results, then using a system that works is a must.

If that is changed, then you're changing the results.

This is why people alike, use the replicated videos, content, pictures, etc. on their websites for the particular system. Consider this to work in your advantage, providing you more money in your pocket.

Jerome

Re: Why so many jonathon budd sites with no branding?

Post by Chad Glass on Sat May 09, 2009 10:30 pm

A classic example of someone elses' face converting buyers in a given market is Joe Isuzu, the broadcast talent/mascot of Mazda of the 1980s. He converted people to buy Mazda like crazy even if the affiliate/franchise owners of individual dealerships were locally owned and operated.

The buyer could then go into the dealership and get to know the people there and perhaps drum up a lasting relationship with them over time.

Jonathan Budd or Mike Dillard are in this comparison a loose parallel with Joe Isuzu. They are the talent personalities in front of the product (except Joe Isuzu didn't create Mazda whereas JB and MD have created their own systems).

But as the opinions in the thread vary, it is up to the individual marketer what they want to get out of it and what tactics to employ. I guess in this way there is not a wrong answer.

Re: Why so many jonathon budd sites with no branding?

Post by Tsnyder on Sat May 09, 2009 10:02 pm

Terry Upton wrote:This is a great post.

I use MLSP and i have branded it with my own videos because i don't want to use Norbs or Brians videos. Sure they might convert a little better but you must brand yourself with attraction marketing. Which is what they teach and is why i would have to disagree with Mike's statement. People aren't going to percieve you as the leader if they are not seeing your face out there. And over time my videos will get better and they will convert as high as the more professional vids. That's my opinion anyway.


I've never seen any testing data showing that people don't perceive
others as leaders because they use automated systems that do not
include their face. I think that's an opinion held by some based on
personal perceptions.

Again... personal perceptions and beliefs mean nothing to a serious
marketer. The only thing that matters is actual results from real market
tests. Everything else is the result of ego.

Tsnyder

Re: Why so many jonathon budd sites with no branding?

Post by Terry Upton on Sat May 09, 2009 9:43 pm

This is a great post.

I use MLSP and i have branded it with my own videos because i don't want to use Norbs or Brians videos. Sure they might convert a little better but you must brand yourself with attraction marketing. Which is what they teach and is why i would have to disagree with Mike's statement. People aren't going to percieve you as the leader if they are not seeing your face out there. And over time my videos will get better and they will convert as high as the more professional vids. That's my opinion anyway.

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