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Re: Is this guy nuts?

Post by JoycePenner on Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:49 am

You're a better man than I, Dave.
Yes, there is a guy I come into contact with through an organization I belong to - nothing to do with network marketing. He's the guy who will always find the negative in every idea or concept proposed.

I was actually playing around a bit with him for a couple of reasons. One - I got a list of just about every negative thing anyone would have to deal with when presenting their business opp. Two - I wanted to see if he really was as negative as he came across or whether there was some spark in him.

Was I serious about working with him? Not at first, second or third impressions but if he would have shown me a spark during that exchange - then maybe but not before we addressed the negativity issue. All the cards would have been on the table and he would have known his attitude needed to change before we could work together.

I screen constantly. Some people are just not worth the time when there are so many who are worth it.

Make sense?
Joyce

Re: Is this guy nuts?

Post by dkotecki on Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:18 am

This guy is which?

In your downline.
Looking for information.
You called him out of the blue.

You didn't answer any of my questions.

Was this the call where you were qualifying him?
Where did you get his number?
Why did you call him?

I didn't get it. :?

But to answer your question, if he's willing to start a business and asks for help,
yes, by all means point him to my website. I'll be waiting for his call.

Re: Is this guy nuts?

Post by JoycePenner on Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:17 am

Joyce: Good morning Don
Don: What's good about it?
Joyce: Well the sun is shining, spring is coming and today is supposed to be exceptionally warm
Don: Hmph. Just means the roads are going to be crap with the melting snow on them.
Joyce: Got any plans for today?
Don: Nah, just moving one pile of sh*t to the other pile.
Joyce: OK. Don, did you want to take a look at the business today?
Don: Yah, sure. I like getting screwed on Fridays.
Joyce: Aah, Don. Have you ever heard of personal development?
Don: You mean that crap that's written by some fairy in a 3 piece suit?
Joyce: You know what Don, I've got a guy in Afganistan, that you may want to meet. I'll get you two together, Dave loves working with people like you !

So Mr. Kotecki - want him??? LOL
I'm going to post something on this later today. Ferny actually wrote "You should fire some people in your downline", got me thinking.

Have a great one,
Joyce

Re: Is this guy nuts?

Post by dkotecki on Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:11 am

Well, you knew I would have to weigh in on this, didn't you? :twisted:

Yes, he's nuts. :)

For those of you who "qualify" your prospects:

Please tell me what qualifications a prospect would have to have in order to
be good enough to work with you.

How many prospects have started a business, (say they came in online, and bought
in before ever talking to you) but then after failing your qualification
process, you've told them they didn't make the grade, then gave them their money back?

What help do you give a person, and after how long do you decide that they're just not
worth it (not making you any money) and let them go? Then give them their money back.

And finally, if you're one of those constantly crowing about helping people, giving without
want, and providing value before you ask for anything in return, how does the whole "Sorry, but
you don't qualify" mentality work into that business strategy?

I'm looking forward to your answers.

For anyone unlucky enough to wind up on the short end of the "qualification" stick,
PM me, email, or whatever. I'll see what I can do to help you out.

Re: Is this guy nuts?

Post by Deelight on Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:06 pm

This is SUCH a great thread!! After having worked i mlm for so many years I have found the formula of
1) Have a qualifying mindset from the get-go;
2) Plants losts of seeds [and gather the fruit];
3) The cream will rise to the top;
4) You want to work with those who WANT to work;
5) Teach them generously everything you know; have an abundance mentality rather than fear & scarcity. This leads to loyalty and true partnership.

Rather than "this" or "that" is more like mix it all together---imho

Best to you all!

Re: Is this guy nuts?

Post by steverodgers on Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:13 pm

Hey, borrow away Joyce! It wasn't mine to begin with :)

Re: Is this guy nuts?

Post by Goodrum on Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:50 pm

Joyce, I think he made a lot of great points and honestly, not everyone's idealogy in network marketing is going to be the same. You also really can't speak for John Rohn for obvious reasons as to whether he agrees with him partially, all or none.

You don't have to take just one path to success. Guy certainly isn't a nutcase because he has a different opinion than most conventional marketers

Re: Is this guy nuts?

Post by JoycePenner on Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:00 pm

steverodgers wrote:I would agree with you on that Joyce. That's why it's important to have a qualification process in place before you ever pick up the phone to prospect.

What it comes down to is that everyone in this community... all of us... We ALL have an opportunity for people.

The only thing we can do is make the offer along with the promise of being there when called upon.

The rest is up to the person who, for whatever reason, needs our particular opportunity.

As a mentor of mine once said, "Steve,you can't push a rope."

-Steve


Steve. Hope you don't mind. I used your can't push a rope as a quote in my blog. I attributed it to you of course. Like that by the way. Very visual reference to how you "Can't" motivate someone else.
Joyce

Re: Is this guy nuts?

Post by steverodgers on Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:29 pm

I would agree with you on that Joyce. That's why it's important to have a qualification process in place before you ever pick up the phone to prospect.

What it comes down to is that everyone in this community... all of us... We ALL have an opportunity for people.

The only thing we can do is make the offer along with the promise of being there when called upon.

The rest is up to the person who, for whatever reason, needs our particular opportunity.

As a mentor of mine once said, "Steve,you can't push a rope."

-Steve

Re: Is this guy nuts?

Post by paysuccessforward on Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:47 pm

Hi Joyce, great question.

I agree wih Steve. Jim Rohn's point in the Parable of the Seeds is to spend your time continually planting LOTS of seeds, and to nurture those that grow in order to give them all of the resources they need to thrive and produce a fruitful business.

You're job is to tend to the people who are teachable, who are taking consistent action... and who are calling you.

Get them to define and continually review their goals and reasons for building their business, to establish solid roots, so that adversity doesn't cause them to fade away.

Connect them into a communication system, so that they are continually plugged into the support system to get fed so that they persist despite the obstacles of life.

Hold them accountable to their goals so that the challenges of life don't overcome them.

And if they fade away despite all that you've done, spend a few minutes to think about what you can do better with the next person, and then MOVE ON to plant more seeds.

Everyone network marketer should listen to Jim's Network Marketing training CD. I give it to everyone who starts in my business.

Keep learning and growing!

David

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