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Re: Is Network marketing a Numbers game?

Post by JoycePenner on Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:16 pm

Ben I think the tune will change if and when the number of people in their organization gets to the point they can't spend an hour on the phone with each one every day or week or even month.

Then the understanding will come and they'll be back here saying "Sorry Ben, you were right."

Onwards !
Joyce

Re: Is Network marketing a Numbers game?

Post by benfitts on Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:48 am

robloomis wrote:Ben,
Congratulations! You must be the heavy hitter I am talking about.

I appreciate the "Bully slap" with your unprofessional comments about "REAL" money.
Your comment isn't worth a cent to me. You obviously didn't understand my point. Every person, every business and everything has a number on it. duh! Soc sec #. Tel #, address, $$ in the bank, PPC's, ratings, rankings, NYSE, 1st place, 2nd place etc..etc.. what ever!

Successful people ( at least the one's with a conscience) treat people like people.
I didn't sponsor number 212 last weekend, I sponsored Dave!
Pretty simple.

Rob


Hi Rob,

Yes and No.

Yes it is about the people, but you have to keep in mind that this is a numbers game. You can easily get caught up into nurturing your existing people and trying to force them to do the business when the reality is most of them won't do it. The timing isn't right for them, they have their own personal demons to deal with, etc.

When someone joins they are "Dave"... You give them an opportunity. You train them. You work with them to get them going. However at a certain point you have to cut the strings. Just like the momma eagle has to force the baby eagle out of the nest at a certain age.

If you look at the bigger picture which is out of your team of thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands that only a few will make you the majority of your income you have to keep an eye out for those few people. You have to keep an eye out for the people that are actually working the business.

You may want to save everyone but you cannot do so. It's just not possible and when you get a team of thousands or tens of thousands you'll realize this. When you have say 30 or 50 people on your team it's a lot easier to spend time on everyone trying to drag them and force them to work. As your team grows there isn't enough time to do it so you really have to focus on who deserves your time and energy.

What your job as a good sponsor is to give everyone the same opportunity. Give them the opportunity to stand up and say I'm ready. You are looking for the people who are working and are trying. They might not be successful yet but they are trying really hard. Those people deserve your time. Those people deserve your energy.

The person who calls every week to complain about something else and make excuses... I'm sorry but that person doesn't deserve my time. I have too many people out there who are working hard that deserve my time. I have to focus on them. They show through their actions that they deserve my help. If I spend an hour working with the person who is always making excuses that's an hour I could have been spending with 2 or 3 other people that are working hard trying to build their business.

That is why understanding it is a numbers game is important and as your team grows it becomes even more obvious.

That is why from your statements it sounds to me like you're someone who is having a little success but hasn't built a large organization yet.

I'm not heartless. I set an intention a couple years back to look for everyone in my organization that deserves my time. I look for the people who are promoting. I know that these people are actively working the business. Whether or not they are personally sponsored by me or 15 levels down in my organization. I try to contact them all by phone and send them all a card. I give them my personal contact info. These are the "right" people in my group.

Managing a large organization is a skill and understanding it is a numbers game will help you develop that skill.

Re: Is Network marketing a Numbers game?

Post by Stephanie_C on Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:19 pm

My answer is yes, network marketing is a numbers game...just like any other business.

Let's take a brick and mortar business for example. My father owned a store front in Manhattan for some time. The more customers that came in, the more products were sold, the more profit he made. Very simple. However, the key is not to treat the people as numbers. His business thrived because he built relationships with his customers. He knew about their families, their line of work, their vacations, etc. He added value to his business by valuing his customers as individuals. He took time to talk to them and anticipate their needs.

In network marketing, it is valuable to look at our actions with numbers (advertising, showing presentations, etc.) but when dealing with our people we should look at the heart within.

Excuse me for sounding corny ;)

Re: Is Network marketing a Numbers game?

Post by RicktheMarketer on Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:55 pm

I totally agree Rob...Network marketers always did see it as a numbers game because it actually worked for so many years ago. People still look up to these successful people because they did the hard work that was required. Pitching and bothering people all the time but they did find people that wanted to join. But just because it worked for them then doesn't mean it works for somebody starting out today.

Because of a few bad apples and negative press on scams network marketing was lumped all into one which doesn't help. Today with so much competition people can't have long term success by using the numbers game and the people that use it are just making it worse for everybody else. You can spot them out so easily. People searching to join a network marketing business are looking to better their lives and are real people with real desires and needs.

We all are looking for the right business partners but it now comes from proper marketing of information to attract the right kind of person to our business. We don't even need to have high numbers...just high conversions. Talking with people and finding their real concerns is the way to go now. And you're right...you really do need to be a friend. The best way to be a friend for these people is by going above and beyond everybody else who is just getting a one time sale without caring about peoples future.

Re: Is Network marketing a Numbers game?

Post by robloomis on Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:51 pm

Ben,
Congratulations! You must be the heavy hitter I am talking about.

I appreciate the "Bully slap" with your unprofessional comments about "REAL" money.
Your comment isn't worth a cent to me. You obviously didn't understand my point. Every person, every business and everything has a number on it. duh! Soc sec #. Tel #, address, $$ in the bank, PPC's, ratings, rankings, NYSE, 1st place, 2nd place etc..etc.. what ever!

Successful people ( at least the one's with a conscience) treat people like people.
I didn't sponsor number 212 last weekend, I sponsored Dave!
Pretty simple.

Rob

Re: Is Network marketing a Numbers game?

Post by benfitts on Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:44 am

Rob,

You are flat out wrong and I can tell from your statements that you still aren't making real money at this.

IT IS A NUMBERS GAME.

EVERY BUSINESS IN THE WORLD IS A NUMBERS GAME.

Internet Marketers with affiliates? Guess what? Only a few affiliates will make up the majority of your income. You could have 10,000 affiliates and you'd find 3-5 of them make up 50% of your referrals.

Real Estate, Insurance, Financial Planning? Go into any of these offices in the country. You will find that there will be only a couple of agents in a typical office that make the majority of the money. You'll see a lot of mediocre agents, part-time agents, etc. Only a few will be making serious money. They will do more money in sales than the rest of the office combined!

Someone on this topic mentioned airlines. MOST of the people flying on an airline probably fly what? 1 or 2 times a year, if that? However we all know there are business people who are flying every week. There are even business people flying every day. Some of them take hops to and from offices every single day. These are the best customers for the airline, not the person who takes one flight a year. That's why those people pay for their bags. Heck my friend just got a ton of frequent flyer miles as a bonus because her flight was simply delayed. Does the average airline customer get free miles because their flight was delayed? Heck no!

Network Marketing is the SAME WAY.

As you begin to build a team you will find that 3-5 legs will make up 80% or MORE of your income.

It has NEVER been any different. You cannot find a single leader in the world that has 10 legs making 80% of their income. It just doesn't happen. I've seen demonstrations done time and time again where we've stood leaders up in the front of the room and asked them how many legs make up the majority of their income. Usually the number is 3. I've seen some people say 5 or 6 but usually they are earlier in their career and still have small teams numbering in the hundreds, not thousands or tens of thousands.

Some people are simply BETTER than others. There are many reasons why this could be. Some of them might include: They have more skills. They have worked on personal development. They have a better network. They have a stronger why. They are self motivated. They are confident. They are attractive. They are intelligent. They are "doers". They don't make excuses. They could have some, or all of these factors going for them.

On average you have to sponsor 30 people to find one of those leaders.

That is the industry average. It will obviously vary.

I got lucky. In my company the first person I sponsored was one of those. A top 10 income earner. A distributor of the year. You don't sponsor those type of people that often :) However finding the next one is taking a long time ;) David Frey was already involved ;)

Re: Is Network marketing a Numbers game?

Post by lilach on Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:59 am

Business is a numbers game. Internet Marketing is a business (if you want to make money anyway ;) ) and therefore is a numbers game.

Do you think Virgin know every single one of their customers? Of course they don't? Does Jason Better know every single one of us?

If you want to expand in business you need volume, numbers. It's very simple maths.

Lilach

Re: Is Network marketing a Numbers game?

Post by jaynealinternational on Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:17 am

Network marketing is a people based business hence “network” you can’t network without connecting with the people that you are dealing with. One of the biggest problems we have had in this industry is that most don’t try to build a relationship with the people they come in contact with. That is why some have great success with the list of friends of family and others don’t. It is all in the relationship you have with these people. (Not numbers) I have been in network marketing for over 20 years and many years with no success and it was all in the training that it is just a numbers game. Now don’t get me wrong in a way it is a numbers game because not everyone wants what you have. So you will have to build a large list but you MUST build a relationship with the people on your list. I think lots of people are getting the wrong idea. You will need lots of numbers to show your opportunity to but you must build a reputation with them along the way or it will just be a numbers game for you. The old saying of “even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut” if you run through enough numbers you will have success but long term you won’t have the success you will have by building a relationship with them.

Jay
www.jaynealinternational.ws

Re: Is Network marketing a Numbers game?

Post by tfeuling on Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:46 pm

Rob,
You have a lot of good information in your post.
I believe that network marketing is about opening up to the Universe, letting the Universe know that you want to attract people who have a desire for more in life and are willing to learn how to get what they want by being taught by a mentor.
If you want to build a big network marketing business you need to learn to be a GREAT mentor - you need to learn how to build the business, lean on the system, internet market, relationship build, connect and more and more...
Yes, I go out and talk to quite a few people every week and seek out those that want more in life then I meet with them and find out if my business could be a great fit for them to get more of what they want in life and if they want to take the time to be mentored by me to get what they want by helping others get more of what they want.
This is a he succeeds, she succeeds, you succeed business.
Seek first to help those you attract into your life to succeed through mentoring them in the biz and you will get yours.
Thanks for post.
Timothy Feuling
XOWii Founding Double Diamond
www.betternetworker.com/members/timothy-feuling_feuling

Re: Is Network marketing a Numbers game?

Post by shola on Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:16 pm

Wow...Dave...Well said....Again, The top earners in these companies most likely don't know 99% of the names of their team. NETWORK MARKETING IS A NUMBER'S GAME. It simply means you have to talk to 100 people in 1 minute as oppose to 1 person in 100 minutes. Some people will fail in the business. JUST LIKE ANY BUSINESS in the world. No need to feel guilty about that. It might be wrong timing like someone said. but MLM IS NOT ADULT DARE CARE center. Your job AS A BUSINESS MAN AND WOMAN is to recruit people. You cannot change anyone's life by yourself. people will change their own life when they take action you are simply presenting the medium.

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