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Post by JoycePenner on Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:54 pm

I love the suggestions posted on this topic. How many people are so excited, so caught up in what they are doing they just have to spew over everyone they meet? Pick me - I was there once !

That's what it so intriguing about reverse marketing (the right way). I wonder if someone would have taken the time to post any one of these reverse marketing suggestions if I would have learned faster? If I wouldn't be in someone elses downline because they took the time to respond?

Intriguing and worth thinking about.
Joyce

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Post by DebSimpson on Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:01 pm

Hi Don,

Thanks for your insights. You do make a lot of very valid points. I can see that in some instances reverse marketing could work, as you pointed out.

I think you may have misunderstood when I said I sent them my link. The link I sent was to my blog, as they had said they were searching for information about my business. I wasn't trying to get them to sign up, just give them information. When they replied to that, most of them said they wanted to know if they could plug my business into their marketing system. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt in case they really were serious about wanting information about the business. Some apparently did look at the blog and showed a slight interest but I never pushed the issue. I'm not in the selling business. If someone wants information I am more than willing to share it with them. The decision is totally theirs if they want to get more involved.

I will take and use some of your experience and tips in the future when dealing with these kinds of emails. Like you said, maybe one day one of them will leave their current business and remember me.

Regards,

Deb

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Post by DigitalDon on Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:30 pm

Hi Deborah,

I wanted to let you know that "reverse marketing" does actually work, but it is somewhat of a fine art and takes some practice to do it effectively. As you related in your reply, simply firing a link off to them about your own program is pretty much worthless, since you're essentially "playing by the same set of rules" that the "spammer" is, and pretty much just confirming the legitimacy of their methods.

Seth Godin wisely suggests that in order to be successful in whatever we do, we must become remarkable - possessing a quality or attribute that stimulates the desire in people to tell others about it. In cases like this (reverse marketing), it will usually be quite remarkable to them that your reply doesn't contain any links at all

(I suggest that you even disable any signature links you may have set up to automatically display, at least in these situations)

Doing things that way will make you appear remarkable to them, because they're often caught off-balance by the fact that you aren't trying to shove your product or business down their throat. If nothing else, it makes them curious about you and what you do. Since they're probably not getting anywhere by doing what they're doing, they'll often wonder why you aren't trying to "sell" them on something.

(They don't realize that you actually are trying to sell them something - you!)

Granted, even when you try to take things slow and establish some sort of relationship with them, only a handful of people are likely to respond in kind and actually start engaging in real dialogue with you that may eventually result in their participation in your business (or not). Even if they don't get involved with you right away, they will remember you, and the fact that you took the time to actually get to know them. There's a strong possibility that they'll eventually quit the program they're currently with, and if/when they do, they may remember you and look you up.

The real key is to think long-term and not to yield to the instinctive impulse to go for an immediate "conversion." Playing the "mine is better than yours - in fact it's the BEST" game only defeats the whole purpose of engaging in the conversation in the first place.

I'm 100% with you with regard to the disingenuous attempts to "reverse market" by people who pretend to be interested in what you're doing only to try to "convert" you to their deal. To be honest, I actually tried that angle way back in 2005 - for about 2 days. I signed up at several of those nationally-advertised lead-collection sites (remember the "crazy like a fox" TV ads?). I had barely clicked the "submit" button when my phone started ringing, and didn't stop for nearly a week! After being chewed out thoroughly by a half-dozen or so angry marketers, I dropped that tactic like a hot potato!

(I did offer each of the marketers who did call me to reimburse them the price they paid for my "lead" information, since I knew that they had most likely paid for it. Nobody took me up on that offer.)

I should also point out that it was during that time when I was "double-reverse-marketed" by a very nice lady who was quite understanding and forgiving, and she gave me a link to something that she thought I "might find interesting." I checked it out, signed up, and today my downline organization in that company is over 28,000 people!

So I'm living proof that "reverse marketing" does work - when it's done respectfully and correctly!

Re: Yah !! New Friend on Facebook. Oh Oh !

Post by DebSimpson on Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:32 pm

I've had a few encounters with people who request friendship and once I accept them they don't even have the decency to exchange any personal pleasantries. They do just start with promoting their opportunities at every chance and almost every day. Some of their friends have even posted on my wall through them. I just ignore them until my wall is suddenly filled with so much of their stuff that the important items get buried. That's when I unfriend them and block them. Trying to get through to people like that is like trying to get through a brick wall.

Then there are those who send spam emails pretending to be interested in whatever business you are involved in when they are really just trying to reverse market. I have tried the turn-around thing with them by sending them a link to my site. I do get responses but can tell that they are auto-generated since they all seem to have the same wording and don't address the subject of my last email to them. Those just stay in spam and get deleted.

I prefer to deal with people who are genuine and serious about networking. As Eric Worre says, We do have a better way.

To our success.

Deb

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Post by evnewland on Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:30 am

Thanks, good stuff. :idea:

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Post by dalehh2 on Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:13 pm

That's a good strategy, Aaron. Thanks for sharing that.

Re: Yah !! New Friend on Facebook. Oh Oh !

Post by dalehh2 on Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:08 pm

JoycePenner wrote:Welcome Sergio. That person was putting you through a funnel and we should all do that but I prefer to do it on the phone (live) than doing it in type. It's so clinical to do it via email but that's just me.
Keep using the Attraction Marketing but add some twists in there and you, sir, will do very well !
Joyce


I agree with you Joyce. Best case, I like to see people face-to-face, but that's not usually practical, so at least over the phone. I find that it is not nearly as effective to try and develop rapport with somebody via text messages. It's way too easy for intent to be misinterpreted and it's much more difficult to come across with a strong posture....My two cents.

Re: Yah !! New Friend on Facebook. Oh Oh !

Post by nisaac86 on Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:25 pm

mowg_developer wrote:Just my 2 cents...I would reply in a similar manner. It sounds like you are a "Magnetic Sponsoring" affiliate, so I would use that as an example...

"(Writer). I received your information about your financial business opportunity, and I appreciate the time you have spent putting into your business, trying to get to know people and spread the word about your opportunity. Perhaps we might be able to benefit each other. I know you do not know me outside of the information you have seen through Facebook, so let me share a little information about myself. I currently have the insurance policy that you speak of, and have not been looking for another job for some time. It looks like you are a hard worker and a motivated person, as you are probably investing several hours of work time trying to befriend people on Facebook and market your product as you have probably been instructed. I know it is difficult work and yields little results as you are likely experiencing, and I know this through the multitudes of people that I have helped to find better avenues. Let me lend a quick suggestion. Visit "magnetic sponsoring link" and you will gain some solid insight regarding how you don't need to jump through the hoops you are currently jumping through to gain momentum in online business. I work with a solid organization, have been successful at it for some time, and help people grow their businesses faster and with less tire-spinning time spent. Your motivation, friendliness, and writing ability intrigues me, and I would look forward to seeing if there is a way we can work together in the future. Again, visit (the link). You will appreciate the information, and it could really save you time in the future!"

Now granted, this is a long message, and too wordy in areas, but I did this to make a couple of points. I highlighted this prospects talents, and made it obvious that I know they are probably busting their rears and making little progress. They don't feel scolded, ignored, and is likely someone who is getting sick of the "fake friending" already because the burnout rate on those guys is very high...

I mentioned the link a couple of times, but as something that would help them (without demeaning them, or making them feel like they are putting you off).

I encouraged more participation with me, but with me being in control and on my terms rather than theirs.

I would keep this message in text somewhere so that I am just cutting a pasting, and just tweaking a couple of words for the next guy/gal. That way, my time investment in these guys is small, but they can feel they are getting treated right and steered in a better direction, which would of course, be yours...

Everyone's technique and style is different, so this may not fit into your way of doing business at all, but I figured you might be able to pull something out of it that will help pull your business forward.

Hope this helps!



Great share Aaron :D

Re: Yah !! New Friend on Facebook. Oh Oh !

Post by mowg_developer on Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:51 pm

Just my 2 cents...I would reply in a similar manner. It sounds like you are a "Magnetic Sponsoring" affiliate, so I would use that as an example...

"(Writer). I received your information about your financial business opportunity, and I appreciate the time you have spent putting into your business, trying to get to know people and spread the word about your opportunity. Perhaps we might be able to benefit each other. I know you do not know me outside of the information you have seen through Facebook, so let me share a little information about myself. I currently have the insurance policy that you speak of, and have not been looking for another job for some time. It looks like you are a hard worker and a motivated person, as you are probably investing several hours of work time trying to befriend people on Facebook and market your product as you have probably been instructed. I know it is difficult work and yields little results as you are likely experiencing, and I know this through the multitudes of people that I have helped to find better avenues. Let me lend a quick suggestion. Visit "magnetic sponsoring link" and you will gain some solid insight regarding how you don't need to jump through the hoops you are currently jumping through to gain momentum in online business. I work with a solid organization, have been successful at it for some time, and help people grow their businesses faster and with less tire-spinning time spent. Your motivation, friendliness, and writing ability intrigues me, and I would look forward to seeing if there is a way we can work together in the future. Again, visit (the link). You will appreciate the information, and it could really save you time in the future!"

Now granted, this is a long message, and too wordy in areas, but I did this to make a couple of points. I highlighted this prospects talents, and made it obvious that I know they are probably busting their rears and making little progress. They don't feel scolded, ignored, and is likely someone who is getting sick of the "fake friending" already because the burnout rate on those guys is very high...

I mentioned the link a couple of times, but as something that would help them (without demeaning them, or making them feel like they are putting you off).

I encouraged more participation with me, but with me being in control and on my terms rather than theirs.

I would keep this message in text somewhere so that I am just cutting a pasting, and just tweaking a couple of words for the next guy/gal. That way, my time investment in these guys is small, but they can feel they are getting treated right and steered in a better direction, which would of course, be yours...

Everyone's technique and style is different, so this may not fit into your way of doing business at all, but I figured you might be able to pull something out of it that will help pull your business forward.

Hope this helps!

Re: Yah !! New Friend on Facebook. Oh Oh !

Post by ElenaJForbes on Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:49 pm

Love the response of sending the Magnetic Sponsoring link...I have never tried that, but I will from now on!

I usually just ignore spammers...no response!

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