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[Dez Futak Company: CarbonCopyPRO Contribution Level: 3]

I've got to tell someone about this...

Have you ever come across someone online who is obviously very new, but they seem to want to take the position of being a leader, someone who is an expert?

I have, and it's crazy how people who are also new seem to fall into line at the slightest whiff of so-called leadership.

I've been a teacher for 16 years, but I'd hazard to say that for about the first 5 of those years, I was pretty much of a numpty. Maybe I'm being a bit harsh here, but basically, to inspire others requires not just confident self-expression, but also a depth of experience which can only come with time.

What say you?

Dez.

[Adam Taha Company: Amway Contribution Level: 7]

I can borrow you my glasses.

It is a very special one. It's one of those Xray vision types. If you put it on, it lights up and reveals words someone types, emails or speaks to you.

The words will be..

1. He's a plonker.
2. A wannabe.
3. BS detector alert.
4. Yes, it's safe. You can talk to this person.

Number 3, comes on a lot when I put my glasses on when I pick up phone and hear someone trying to tell me they are a leader, got a big business.

Then after one week, they are begging for me to join them.

After second week, they tell me all, and how crap they are at getting quality leads.

On the fifth week they are drowning and need seriously help.

And on sixth week, I can hear them praying to find that diamond prospect.

On seventh, they in another company and again, it goes round and round.

Adam Taha

[Dave Kotecki Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 5]

I can relate, Dez.

I don't know what a guru really is. I suppose it's someone who
has put together a course that a lot of people have bought which
made the guru money.

But what of results?

I realize that results attained by the use of any strategy or technique
is dependent mainly on the person using it. When I was big into stocks
and commodities it became very clear that a person could follow the
exact instructions of the guru and buy and sell at the points instructed,
but the results were wildly different between investors.

Why?

Because things move so fast that 1/8 point could skew your results.
Even following the same rules, it's impossible to duplicate results.
I believe this to be true of all things, including network marketing.
There are too many variables to consider.

Taking the exact same recipe, someone baking a cake in New Orleans will
have different results than someone baking the cake in Denver.
Why?
Elevation.
That makes things bake differently.
That's my point. Results are impossible to duplicate.
The recipe (or ppc course) just gets you in the ballpark.

If you've been following the YouIncStar challenge, you may have seen my
videos on this subject. Over the past few days I've become aware of a huge
shift in the industry, and I see it as 2 distinct camps splitting apart. I think
there's a battle brewing. It reminds me of the X-Men series of movies.
Will you join the Brotherhood, or side with the X-Men?

After talking to some friends of mine, I was considering a course of action.
Then the other night, everything became clear.
I witnessed what you brought up in your post, only on a scale that was just
mind-boggling.
It made me nauseous. It made me angry.

That's why I decided to start offering marketing consultations.
I'm not charging a pile of money and I don't have magic pills.
I have studied online marketing for over 2 years, consulted with other marketers
without charging and I am full-time in my business.

I know I can help marketers get better results online.
But mostly I want to help them see what's going on and not get caught up in
the belief that instant and massive success is possible.
Most of the time it takes a couple of years to become an "overnight success".

I don't like what I see going on.
This is what I'm doing to change it.
I believe this path will build a foundation for our businesses that will last.
And help other people learn how to build the foundation. Instead of using
hit and run tactics that leave your bank balance bigger because of huge paydays;
but leaves you dependent on a new batch of entrepreneurial hopefuls with stars
in their eyes that you can pump up and drain with the next big launch.

Which side are you on?

As for the DarkSide, (paraphrasing Patrick Henry):
"I know not what course others may take. But for me, Give me a sustainable business
model based on sound business principles, or give me a job!"

[Cheryl James Company: Talk Fusion Global Contribution Level: 3]

I'm not sure what specifically you are talking about....

But, Gurus don't exist without some amount of social proof. Social currency must be earned and who are we to judge? Our place is to either lend credibility or not.

[Adam Taha Company: Amway Contribution Level: 7]

I can relate to what you said Dean.

For example, the people I'm helping, the first thing they got in their head is..

"But everyone is doing it, being an expert.."

If someone doesn't get a specialised skill, then man, they are in trouble. They'll have a site with systems, ebooks and that's it. Thinking that's what's going to do it, but it won't.

It's going to take work, knowledge, specialised skill and what's great with a specialised skill is - it's there for life. When basic is sorted, wow.

But yes, there are many courses and personally, they not great at all.

I didn't go and buy a course for some slide show which some of them are. Rather the practical, show it, how it's done for darn sake.

In one of the first chapters of MS, people read how much invested in knowledge and I think many mess that part.

Adam Taha

I may not know much - I had several teachers who would vouch for that (actually most of them said I had potential but was too lazy ). If they taught something interesting I might have paid more attention.

But anyway. I do a little about ranking in the search engines. I have been quietly playing away on the net the past couple of years ranking my own sites in various niches. Testing things, watching what others do. Paying extraordinary amounts of money for courses (to discover people are being ripped off left right and center). Learning what works and what does not.

I come on here and I will see someone asking for advice about ranking their website and getting more traffic. So I take a look at their site. Granted, I am no guru. But nine times out of ten these people who are obviously newbies (even if they have been online 5 years) and yet the site they are trying rank is a how-to-make-money-online, or I-am-an-online-success-coach, or some other mentor type of site.

This just isn't one of the things you "fake it till you make it." If you are selling your self as a teacher (even if you charge nothing) you better damn well know something about what you are doing!

Read magnetic sponsoring again. It doesn't say fake being a guru. It says get your self a skill and position yourself as a leader. And if it doesn't say that - it should! (I loaned my copy and it never came back so I am working from memory).

[Don Egnor Contribution Level: 4]

I think most of the so called "new" gurus, as they call themselves, like Dean so eloquently pointed out, are the ones that do like their company says and try to "fake it till they make it". I used to think this way till I got hit up the side of the head and realized that crap don't work. You can possibly fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. I wish I had come up with that one.

This thing with the Pizza Man Adam is new to me though. Adam, are you interested in starting a franchise? I am certain we could find the money somewhere for it my friend. What this world needs is a really GOOD pizza. Hell...with the pizzas and the net baby we could get rich!!!

[Dave Kotecki Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 5]

I'm not sure what specifically you are talking about....

But, Gurus don't exist without some amount of social proof. Social currency must be earned and who are we to judge? Our place is to either lend credibility or not.

Think "Straw Man".
Nothing has to be earned.
It can be created.

Social proof is a concept born of people's need to conform.
Without the stones to make up their own mind, and with nothing
to guide them, they depend on what everyone else is doing to
make their decisions.

"If everyone else was jumping off the bridge, would you jump too?"
My mom said that to me all the time.

She also said "Believe nothing that you hear, and only half of what you see".

Who are we to judge?

By authority of my reasoning mind I judge.

I know what's going on.
I see what is being done.
The strong preying on the weak is nothing new.

As for "our place".

I have no "place", and don't want one.
Wouldn't accept it if bestowed upon me.

Lend credibility or not?

Someone once said that the only thing necessary for evil to
triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Evil or not, I don't like it.
What I see is the enriching of some at the expense of others.
Not an exchange of value.
A concentrated effort to make people believe one thing while delivering
another.

I know that some will read this and make decisions with no knowledge at
all of the subject. I don't care.

Cheryl,
My rant has nothing to do with you or what you're doing. Those who know will
not answer, nor will they acknowledge the discovery of their actions.

Watch it go away.
I will.
Unless their audacity overcomes their intelligence.
Then it will become obvious to all.

The DarkSide recognizes.
Responsibility reluctantly accepted.
Understanding this:
You're either all in, or you're not in at all.

The DarkSide is IN.

[Dave Kotecki Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 5]

I think most of the so called "new" gurus, as they call themselves, like Dean so eloquently pointed out, are the ones that do like their company says and try to "fake it till they make it". I used to think this way till I got hit up the side of the head and realized that crap don't work. You can possibly fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. I wish I had come up with that one.

This thing with the Pizza Man Adam is new to me though. Adam, are you interested in starting a franchise? I am certain we could find the money somewhere for it my friend. What this world needs is a really GOOD pizza. Hell...with the pizzas and the net baby we could get rich!!!

This has gone far beyond "fake it til you make it".

[Adam Taha Company: Amway Contribution Level: 7]

I think most of the so called "new" gurus, as they call themselves, like Dean so eloquently pointed out, are the ones that do like their company says and try to "fake it till they make it". I used to think this way till I got hit up the side of the head and realized that crap don't work. You can possibly fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. I wish I had come up with that one.

This thing with the Pizza Man Adam is new to me though. Adam, are you interested in starting a franchise? I am certain we could find the money somewhere for it my friend. What this world needs is a really GOOD pizza. Hell...with the pizzas and the net baby we could get rich!!!

Hahahaha.

Not thinking of a franchise for Pizza. I just like Pizza's. Was one of my first businesses, which I set up, and I'd do the dough fresh. However, I do have a Pizza oven at home, so all my mates gather as they stuff their face with my pizza after meeting is done, or chatting is done.

It's a hobby.

I think it also reminds me of where I came from. As a kid, we had to specialise in something. You couldn't go round pretending you got something because the world find out, and you'd not make money, which meant no money came in. There were no government checks, nothing.

If we didn't specialise in a skill, and didn't bring money in, well, it's over. We'd die. So, me and the gang as kids, as I lived in street and my parents left to UK - we'd specialise. I was the one who worked with ovens, doing the dough, making those big massive round bread for the cafe resturant, from early hours of morning 5am till late in evening.

Today though, it's a hobby which helps keep family together. Plus friends, who come and visit either it's Pizza or my different dishes, which I call, "It's made from EVERYTHING thrown in - so don't ask me what the recipe is."

Might have to get a bigger oven though as the number of people coming to house has increased.

Adam Taha

[Jagan Krishnan Contribution Level: 2]

Adam,

P.S. Do your self a favor and sign up to his newsletter so you can you learn how the best newsletter writer in the industry does it. You can learn by example - it isn't a $2000 course (although it could be).

This is not the first time Dean said that. Actually I have looking for your capture page for a long time now. Can i get into your list for learning stuff?

If I could, it would be just great. Can you post your link here or message me your link?

Jagan Krishnan