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[Dave Kotecki Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 5]

I just saw this on Facebook.

Anyone have any feelings about this you'd like to comment on?

Juanita Waterman: HOW MUCH ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY to have someone tell you you need a flipping WHY? People who went to the 5000$ "No Excuse" event tell me you got more out of it then that.

[Dave Kotecki Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 5]

Here's more:

Stefanie Sanspree: what bothers me is how hypocritical Mike Dillard is saying "you don't need social networking sites to build your business" Mike Dillard hasn't build an mlm any other way, he mainly uses his affilate program to make money anyways. He is ripping people off

Everyone has the right to their own point of view, but I'm not sure that this statement
is accurate.

I don't know how to get a link to this thread on Facebook, or I'd post it here.

[Ilka Flood Company: SendOutCards Contribution Level: 4]

Wow! These are some strong words. One piece of advice... never make an accusation that you can't back up 100%.

I absolutely disagree with what Stephanie said. Mike Dillard is a man of integrity. He doesn't rip people off.

[Jagan Krishnan Contribution Level: 2]

Dave,

man...I restrained myself for so long, I just have to get it out of my system... This post is going to piss a LOT OF PEOPLE.

After being hovering around this site for over a YEAR I can say that most of the Mentoring For Free people are just CRAZY.

Before I even say a word more, I must point out there are some MFF people whom I respect GREATLY.
People like Wayne Wu need appreciation and their content is great and they promote MFF without making it look cheap.

Check out Wayne Wu's blog for some brilliant content presented in a great way - http://ProfitableNetworker.com

Coming back to other MFF people. You see they have a BIG attitude problem.
THEY THINK:

1. Failure is not their fault.
2. They need training free of cost or else they think someone is scamming them.
3. Anyone mixing affiliate marketing and network marketing is an absolute idiot.
3. Multiple streams of income is bullshit.
4. They have the right to spam people with their free ebook because they think everyone needs it.

The fact is unfortunately I have found that people like Danny Johnson are nothing but spammers. They go and write their bullshit in loads of guest entries and its highly pissing off.

Take a look at how many MFF people spammed David Frey's guest book.
Here's the link - http://www.betternetworker.com/members/davidfrey

And here's another one of his account where Juanita herself spammed.

http://www.betternetworker.com/members/david-frey

Sorry Juanita, but David is a 6 figure earner and I don't think he gives a rat's ass about your help or your book especially when it is given without him requesting it.

Here is the truth -

Many MFF members have ZERO marketing skills but they indulge in talk as if they know everything.
Eg- Check out this post where Forest Marie tears apart Dianne Humphries about Pay Per Click.

ppc-and-seo-f18/is-ppc-a-dying-marketing-strategy-t13664-10.html

Start from Dianne's post and watch the events unfold. Whom am I to say people are crazy?
Let others decide.

Juanita Waterman goes even far saying that she would rather be spammed with a free ebook like Success In Ten Steps because it's that good.

Here's the link if you doubt me - main-mlm-discussion-f2/is-success-in-10-steps-constant-promotion-annoying-you-t22838-20.html

Juanita, I would like to ask you one question.

When you say spamming "Success In Ten Steps" ebook is good because YOU THINK it will help people, how can you consider yourself different from those Islamic terrorists who kill thousands of people because they think God has given them the right?

Yes the consequences of both are different but conceptually both of you guys are the same. What say?

Those Islamic terrorists think killing is necessary and is God's wish.
You think spamming is necessary and is done to save people from the tyranny of Mike Dillard and Co who unfortunately have to charge people for their training?

I asked this question because you have actually talked in support of all the Mentoring For Free people who spam others.

Here's the link again - main-mlm-discussion-f2/is-success-in-10-steps-constant-promotion-annoying-you-t22838-20.html

Juanita, one more question -

Who the hell are you to think I need to read the book Success In Ten Steps?
It's my life and a spam is a spam and how can you argue supporting it?

If you can, ANSWER THAT.

Now I know I am going to get a lot of attacks because I spoke up but no worries.
I am off to my college and I will post back my replies next week.

I would like to end this with a link from Adam Taha's blogpost where he ACTUALLY rips apart a hell a lot of people (even a BN instructor). I am sorry but I have to mention it here. It's about how to behave in forums and I must say that the post is KICKASS.

Here's the link

http://networkmarketingleadsgeneration. ... orums.html

And finally I would like to quote on what Mike Klingler says about free mentoring. If this doesn't really get into your head, then God help you.

It could very well be that free mentoring is what someone needs, and that the same coach I paid thousands for who helped me develop myself (and thus my business) would be unhelpful to someone else. However, I doubt highly that there are many mentors who do not charge for their time who could have had a great influence on me. Ellie Drake, for example, charged for her coaching time because she had developed an unusual skill in communication, connecting and leadership skills. She had produced millions in network marketing and afterward in her own public speaking career. How is it possible to imagine how such a person would offer 40 hours a month mentoring people for free? It's not realistic.
This doesn't mean there are not some great mentors out there who do not charge for their mentoring. I'm sure there are. I think there may be more than a few who have already posted comments in this thread. But here's my point: a great mentor for one person is not necessarily a great mentor for another. And the more a person advances in business, the more they should have to expect to pay for mentoring so they're receiving coaching from someone who has more highly developed skills then they do. I had already been coaching others for a long time (some for free and some for a very small cost) before I received coaching from Ellie, for example. I needed a highly skilled coach with highly evolved communication and connection skills. I believe the level of developed skill I needed requires a cost. Why? Because people's time is valuable and the more developed their skill the more valuable it becomes.
Which leads to another side of this discussion...
Even if someone provides some great free mentoring, it is leading to a sale and financial gain.
Those who offer free mentoring in MLM do so in order to develop a relationship that leads to a sale or enrollment in their company. That's a great model. But we have to openly acknowledge that this is part of what makes the free mentoring possible. The free mentoring would not be offered if there was not the possibility to attract the 'client' to their business opportunity. So money is still being exchanged for the value given. It's just done so on the 'back end.'
It is not realistic that someone can afford to mentor people indefinitely without enrolling that person into their business, or selling something. Because once again, people's time is valuable. It's simple economics.
I am highlighting these points because I believe in business education. It's important for everyone in MLM and the home-based business indusry to start learning how and why things are set up the way they are.

This is an excerpt from the comment Mike Klingler wrote for an article by Juanita.
Here's the link to that article - http://www.betternetworker.com/articles ... l-for-this

That's it. I know I would have hurt a lot of people but I want to let everyone know that i have nothing against Mike Dlouhy or Mentoring for free or their members, it's just that I am pissed at some of them who go on shouting insane bullshit in the name of value.

I have spoken too much.
Outta here.

[Dave Kotecki Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 5]

Nice post, Jagan.

Yeah, I knew that this would get a lot of people worked up.
I'm just so curious about the business model of MFF.
So I checked it out.

Success in 10 Steps is simply a very slick marketing piece meant
to sell a $19.95 monthly recruiting system.
Anyone who can't see this simply doesn't understand marketing.

The first link you get is an offer to buy a $19.95 cd.
Surprise! It's made by the same guy that wrote the ebook.

Then at the end, the affiliate has the link to a $19.95 book.
Guess what? Yep. Written by the same guy.

I haven't been on any of the calls yet, but I'd bet you a nickel they are
disguised sales pitches for the 3 products above.

From what I've seen, MFF is a marketing system designed to enrich the
writer of the content. That would be Michael Dlouhy.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that.
Heck, that's what we're all doing.
Selling our expertise for money.

On the other hand, I find it humorous that there are people on this forum
claiming that it's all about the free training.
Well, it's not.
It's about selling the monthly lead generation system, the colors cd, and the book.

Still keepin' it real at the risk of some huge backlash,
DarkSide style.

[Jagan Krishnan Contribution Level: 2]

Yeah Dave,

I was in the fence and your post just gave the little push that was required.

Well I know there's gonna be a HUGE BACKLASH.
Without sounding like a moron, I do have to say that I am looking forward to see how people react to this thread.

Jagan Krishnan

[Richard Bravo Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 9]

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OK, so first of all I'm going to preface my post by saying this:
I'm an instructor here. But first and foremost I'm a member of this community and a fellow networker and entrepreneur. So while you may not agree with me, I'm ok with that. I learned a long time ago that you can never please everyone and to be honest, if I cannot openly share my opinions and be authentic, just as I did prior to becoming an instructor, then I'd trade the title in a heartbeat.

With that, here's what I have to say about all this...

First, here's a little help for your case Dave...
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Here's the thing that is absolutely irritating about this is the fact that she just went on this big rant yesterday right here on the forums about HYPE. And that she doesnt HYPE her message to people.

Well sorry, but saying the Vegas event was $5000 is plain bullshit HYPE!

And here's the danger right in plain site of how this kind of HYPE immediately affects the marketplace...
Look at the second to last comment(indicated by a red arrow). The commenter Jenni Ryan, assumes Juanita is telling the truth, believes what she said and goes on to now exert an indirect negative attitude towards Mike and his products based on Juanita's comments.

PAY ATTENTION PEOPLE!

Disagree. Have a negative opinion. Who cares.
You don't have to like Mike or his products and you can disagree all you want with anything the man says.
It's a free country and you can have any opinion you want about whatever you want. That's the beautiful thing about freedom. However it is also a huge danger in so much as the liars, hypers, naysayers and drama mongers have access to the exact same platform as the true entrepreneurs working to make people's lives better.

• You want to contort every story you spread to your benefit - good luck.
• You want to try to convince everyone that you have the only answer and everyone else is full of shit simply because they charge for their services - good luck.
• You want to program a bunch of mindless drones into thinking everyone is against you if they ever disagree with you - good luck.

But before you bash someone, their services or their products you better make damn sure that you can back up your statements.

Go ahead and backtrack or whatever you want. Pretend someone "hacked" your account and is posting in your stead. WHATEVER!

"There ... I Said It!"


In fact, look closely at the forum and you find that Juanita herself commented yesterday that this kind of false accusations is not only slander but illegal! Unless she edited it by now.

As for Stephanie's comments, I wasn't in Vegas so I don't know what Mike said about social networks or whatever. But I would put cold hard cash on the table that whatever he said is being pulled out of context here.


Why Are People Negative Towards "Mentoring for Free?"
Because of stupidity like this!
There is a large group of MMF drones floating around that spam the hell out of every commuinity they come in contact with - including here. They spread this bizarre sounding mantra that they are your friend for life and follow each other around like cult members. Just as you are seeing here. They propagate each others false teaching by posting all their "great post" comments, but never actually saying anything.

How exactly are you my friend for life? You've never met me.
How exactly are you my friend for life considering the only contact we've had is a spammy comment you left on my guestbook, youtube channel, uninvited Facebook tags and all the other places you stalk people with your spam?

Oh yeah, and that all takes place within seconds of me allowing you into my circle accepting your connection request.

DUH!!


And lastly, I just want to point out the most ironic thing of all...

Look at the ad running in the top right corner of Juanita's wall:
If my eyes are correct I do believe the headline says something like "Mike Dillard Rocks!"

enough said.
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[Ilka Flood Company: SendOutCards Contribution Level: 4]

Hi Richard,

This is exactly why I said earlier that if you are throwing around accusations (or B.S.) like that you better be able to back it up 100%.

It is very sad that stuff like that keeps happening and keeps giving our industry a bad name.

Please people, get your facts straight FIRST!

Better yet, do like Thumper ..."If you don't have to say anything nice don't say nothing at all."

[Jagan Krishnan Contribution Level: 2]

Richard, needless to say you have a great way of telling things.

As for Stephanie's comments, I wasn't in Vegas so I don't know what Mike said about social networks or whatever. But I would put cold hard cash on the table that whatever he said is being pulled out of context here.

Why Are People Negative Towards "Mentoring for Free?"

Because of stupidity like this!
There is a large group of MMF drones floating around that spam the hell out of every commuinity they come in contact with - including here. They spread this bizarre sounding mantra that they are your friend for life and follow each other around like cult members. Just as you are seeing here. They propagate each others false teaching by posting all their "great post" comments, but never actually saying anything.

How exactly are you my friend for life? You've never met me.
How exactly are you my friend for life considering the only contact we've had is a spammy comment you left on my guestbook, youtube channel, uninvited Facebook tags and all the other places you stalk people with your spam?

Oh yeah, and that all takes place within seconds of me allowing you into my circle accepting your connection request.

Jagan Krishnan

[Dave Kotecki Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 5]

That's the first thing that hit me, Richard.
$5000?!

As far as I know, it was only $197.
I was hoping someone would point out that the $5k was BS.

I also made sure that I went and read their book and went through
the funnel (without buying anything) so I could at least have some
credibility.

As far as Mike Dillard ripping people off, I'd say that's not true.
He sells stuff for reasonable prices, if you use the information.
I've heard Mike say that he doesn't feel like he's been ripped off by anyone
who ever sold him anything.
I agree.
I make the decision to buy, and I can always send stuff back.

By the way, here's a quote from "Success In 10 Steps" after you're told that the
writer NEVER EVER SELLS OR CLOSES:

If you could work for 3 years and build something that pays you $50,000 a
month, wouldn’t you rather do that than build something that only pays you
$5,000 a month?

Now, if that's not a closing question, I don't know what is.

Here's another one:

It took time. We failed forward until I finally found a mentor in 1991. I found
someone who was successful, who had already done it. I bought every tape,
book, etc., that he ever did.

Isn't that weird coming from someone who is so adamant that you should get your
training FREE?

So anyway, like I said before:
I support everyone's right to their opinion.

It's not opinion that "Success In 10 Steps" is a marketing sales letter.
The whole Mentoring For Free thing is a marketing system to sell Michael Dlouhy's content.