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[Forest Marie Contribution Level: 4]

Randy does raise some points, although he's obviously a dinosaur in a digital age who cannot accept change.

That said - when I was in MLM, duplication was pretty mucn nonexistent.

However, Randy ... there's a concept out there called a "marketing system" that is duplicatable. CarbonCopyPRO, for example, is the best one I've seen hands down. Obviously I'm biased, but when you go from $1500 (no marketing system) a month to over $15k a month (with a marketing system), one must take note...

Definitely a big advantage when you have a system like CCPro that allows you to just generate leads and talk business with people instead of:building web sites, training others, building your autoresponder message, training others, building your own funded proposal project to mitigate advertising costs, training others, setting up follow up times, calling unqualified leads, etc, etc.

So yeah ... Randy -- check out marketing systems because they work - really well.

[Tim O'Dell Contribution Level: 1]

I think the truth is somewhere in between..

If you look at Randy he has created a few large downlines using the old school methods which rely largely on having a charming personality that by itself attracts a lot of people. Someone that most people would look at and say "I could never be that smooth and polished" - he uses the web to promote not interact. Very successful guy!

Then you look at Mike Dillard that has used all the things that RG says won't work and has become... a very successful guy. Now I have never personally met Mike but when you see him on video he doesn't come across as charming he comes across as an authentic "every guy" that is smart and deals in data rather than personality. And he uses the web to interact rather than just promote

Mike still goes to "live events" although I suspect they are quite a bit different then hotel opp meetings.

The need for deepening relationships face to face will hopefully never go away, could you imagine a society or business that you don't need to ever actually interact with people brrrr. However they will be more purpose built than the generic opp meeting

I believe that Randy has a point. Although building a business online in your slippers is possible, the amount of information on how to build your business online can be overwhelming for newbies and veterans alike, which can have a negative effect on your duplication.

However, if leaders can transfer the concepts of offline recruiting to the online world and help their team to understand these same concepts, the leverage and duplication can be awesome.

Just my two cents.

[Ken Seavert Contribution Level: 2]

Hey Ken,
This is right off your capture Page, Dont be a hypocrite. I am just saying LOL

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Well I am glad you said this because this is actually a lot of the reason I posted my comment on this thread. What I said here and what I say on my capture page do not conflict. I think people struggle in their business because they do not understand attraction. Attraction has nothing to do with the means by which you market (offline or online).

I oppose anyone who pitches their business, and chases people. That is what I mean when I say "old school". Offline or online you shouldn’t be chasing people or cold calling people. If you haven’t listened to black belt recruiting I strongly recommend it, this is covered in there.

Obviously I am going to promote building online in my capture page for a online marketing system! But by endorsing one technique (online) does not mean I toss the other out (offline). I like both methods and they are both run by the standards.

However if what you mean is how can I talk about needing an auto responder hurting my duplication and still be building online, then let me say that I teach people how to market THEIR business with my system.

They sign up if they want to market online, and I am their to help them get what they want which is more leads and more money. They are not in my business so it is not my job to tell them how to build their business, my job is to show them how to get traffic, leads, and additional income.

I have different groups in my MLM business. Those who I train to generate their own leads online with a system come back and often want to work directly with me.

I also have an offline business group that I teach how to market offline correctly. Point being they decide what group they are in. My duplication doesn’t suffer because they decide, not me. I don’t mix my groups or tell them they have to market a certain way unless the mix is their call.

I find it better to introduce people into the business with the method they will be using. Makes sense to me, this way they KNOW it works. And they also know I am not coaching them on something I don’t/ can’t do.

If I use online methods for my offline group it doesn’t involve duplication by my offline group. For instance I may use an online method to generate leads for my whole group but they don’t have to know how to do the method. I have also developed transition points for people to leverage our talents, IE an online capture page for my offline group to send people to. Generally though the people who market online with me know what they are doing, so I don’t need to squeeze them into a certain method.

Ultimately the sponsor must communicate the cost of duplication to the downline. If someone doesn’t want to invest in an auto responder I teach them a method that does not require one.

In the end they decide how they build their business and I show them the way. Marketing online is really my way of helping more people. If there still seems to be something contradictory here Marty I would honestly like to know, hopefully this has clarified the situation a bit.

[Juanita Waterman Company: Empower Network, LLC Contribution Level: 9]

I believe that Randy has a point. Although building a business online in your slippers is possible, the amount of information on how to build your business online can be overwhelming for newbies and veterans alike, which can have a negative effect on your duplication.

However, if leaders can transfer the concepts of offline recruiting to the online world and help their team to understand these same concepts, the leverage and duplication can be awesome.

Just my two cents.

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[Forest Marie Contribution Level: 4]

I believe that Randy has a point. Although building a business online in your slippers is possible, the amount of information on how to build your business online can be overwhelming for newbies and veterans alike, which can have a negative effect on your duplication.

However, if leaders can transfer the concepts of offline recruiting to the online world and help their team to understand these same concepts, the leverage and duplication can be awesome.

Just my two cents.

It's only negative if you're doing everything yourself and have no system.

[Paul Murphy Company: Vitamark International Contribution Level: 7]

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I'm certainly not pointing fingers here but I have seen a lot of people who never really applied offline techniques for any consistent period of time but love to tell people how it sucks, how it doesn’t work, and how online is the only way to go. “I tried it” they say, I don’t like the word try. People often use it in place of quit. Think about it to say “I’ll try” seems to already imply failure, does it not?

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Thanks Ken, from my personal experience of over 20 years working hard at several different opportunities, the duplication factor was always the issue, if fact, many of the most successful distributors eventually wound up leaving their company for something else, due to the collapse of duplication. I am happy to say that issue is no longer an issue, using internet marketing has allowed me to build a legacy that will not only endure, but continue growing!

[Paul Murphy Company: Vitamark International Contribution Level: 7]

Randy does raise some points, although he's obviously a dinosaur in a digital age who cannot accept change.

That said - when I was in MLM, duplication was pretty mucn nonexistent.

However, Randy ... there's a concept out there called a "marketing system" that is duplicatable. CarbonCopyPRO, for example, is the best one I've seen hands down. Obviously I'm biased, but when you go from $1500 (no marketing system) a month to over $15k a month (with a marketing system), one must take note...

Definitely a big advantage when you have a system like CCPro that allows you to just generate leads and talk business with people instead of:building web sites, training others, building your autoresponder message, training others, building your own funded proposal project to mitigate advertising costs, training others, setting up follow up times, calling unqualified leads, etc, etc.

So yeah ... Randy -- check out marketing systems because they work - really well.

He seems like a smart guy Forest, I really wonder whats behind his rant? Up till now, he's been all over promoting internet strategies, its like he just stuck his head in the sand!

[Sandeep Nath Company: MyLeadSystemPRO Contribution Level: 6]

Paul I like all your comments... you seem to be speaking for and against with equal ease ... and confusing the hell out of me about the purpose of this post.

I think people - Randy included - are mixing up 'duplication' and 'MLM' and I quite agree with Forest - you don't see that happen without a system; online or offline. Now in the internet age, duplication has to be with autoresponders and the works by using online systems. So MLM strategy has to embrace online methods... to build and leverage the same old thing called 'relationships'.

[Paul Murphy Company: Vitamark International Contribution Level: 7]

Paul I like all your comments... you seem to be speaking for and against with equal ease ... and confusing the hell out of me about the purpose of this post.

I think people - Randy included - are mixing up 'duplication' and 'MLM' and I quite agree with Forest - you don't see that happen without a system; online or offline. Now in the internet age, duplication has to be with autoresponders and the works by using online systems. So MLM strategy has to embrace online methods... to build and leverage the same old thing called 'relationships'.

Thanks for your comment and acknowledgment Dr. Whitefield, and sorry for the confusion! My viewpoint isn't mean't to be confusing, I feel like Randy's off the mark on this one. Only because I've experienced both styles of networking, and have tremendous success using internet, verses no real success in the retention and duplication process using old school approach.

I see relationship building on 2.0 bringing people into my life that I will surely meet belly to belly, expanding my network of friends around the world, you included sir! For some strange reason relationships I've built using old school have all but disappeared over the years, hmmmm, is it because people are naturally sales resistant, therefore tend to repel from prior unsuccessful business endeavors?

Whats your thoughts Dr. Whitefield?