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[Prashant Char Contribution Level: 2]

Thanks for saving my money and my precious time guys. I was just researching about it.

[Rebecca Contribution Level: 1]

Well unfortunately there was another surprise divulged on the webinar last night - here it is right from the terms and conditions

There are two fees associated with becoming a Member of SFS: One is to purchase that program for $9.99 and we will include a 3-day introduction of the SFS system. After the 3 days are up, if you wish to remain a member of SFS, you will be charged the regular membership fee. There is a monthly membership fee of $39.96. You may also choose the optional additional lead packages from within SFS.

I personally refuse to give up my credit card info to see where this will go. Too many misleading statements, undisclosed fees (until last night), and no refunds equals too many red flags for me. I wasted too much time promoting and helping to build a list for Paul Birdsall.

[Jason Liptak Company: CarbonCopyPRO Contribution Level: 2]

It's rediculous...

10,000 leads for $10?

That means he has to deliver 1,000,000 leads for every 1,000 people that sign up for the system.

10,000,000 leads for every 10,000, with no end in sight.

If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know, then wake up.

Mike

After watching an Urban Cowgirl webinar for 3 hours yesterday and listening to her talk about Google economics for PPC and breaking it down that her top Mavericks are paying about $.60 a click and $6 per real time self generated leads (which is actually considered a wholesale price), I can't see how this would work either?

Love the candid honesty Mike! Never afraid to let er rip!

Jason Liptak

[Eileen Burns Contribution Level: 3]

Listen to Mike Dillard and do the math. Building your own list by learning how to create your own squeeze page and offer value to build relationships with people who have the mindset that matches what you wish to sell. Become an affiliate is definitely more exciting than pondering of a $10 appetizer

[William Hostens Contribution Level: 1]

Since this 139 for 10k leads is still good. Anyone got them and able to vouch for the quality or lack thereof ?

William
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[Rhonda Hicks Contribution Level: 2]

I really liked the site and the video that was on the site. It totally excited me when several folks sent it to me. Based off what I have learned and applied to building my own list, I have learned that acquiring leads does not equate to people joining your opportunity or buying your book, etc. When I saw it the only reason I did not jump on it right away is because I know the hard work it takes to build "red hot laser targeted leads" and any other type of lead you get will normally result in leads that may not be viable or valuable for your particular business.

[Jim Zak Contribution Level: 1]

Well unfortunately there was another surprise divulged on the webinar last night - here it is right from the terms and conditions

There are two fees associated with becoming a Member of SFS: One is to purchase that program for $9.99 and we will include a 3-day introduction of the SFS system. After the 3 days are up, if you wish to remain a member of SFS, you will be charged the regular membership fee. There is a monthly membership fee of $39.96. You may also choose the optional additional lead packages from within SFS.

I personally refuse to give up my credit card info to see where this will go. Too many misleading statements, undisclosed fees (until last night), and no refunds equals too many red flags for me. I wasted too much time promoting and helping to build a list for Paul Birdsall.

So what happened to that No Brainer/No Risk to pay your 10.00 to get a lock on the system? Now there is no refund? what happened to his guarantee that says if you don't make back your money you get a double your money back guarantee. I recorded his webinar calls that states his double your money back guarantee. I think we should all band together and put this guy out of business if he's going to lie to us like he has. People like him do not deserve to be in business. I should have listened to my gut instinct that this was too good to be true and the only reason I put up my 10.00 was because he said it was a no brainer and if we didn't make back our money we would get refunded double so seemed like a no brainer.
I got in early, I promoted a lot and got people signed up under me and none of them as far as I know have purchased. I guess they were the smart ones LOL

We need to fight back guys. We can't let marketers like this lie and cheat and steel our money like this.
What are your thoughts guys. If you want a copy of my recorded webinars, just let me know. I tried asking my questions till I was blue in my face and was told by Karl, one of their guys, that he didn't have time to answer my questions yet he had time to respond to my email. I emailed them left and right trying to get answers with little to no response. I kept getting told to get on the webinars and all my questions would be answered. NOT then they said they would be answered in an FAQ prior to launch. NOT
I didn't know about the 39.96 monthly fee until after I gave my credit card and 9.99 to lock in my position. Then their terms and conditions link was broken so I still didn't know until they fixed their broken link. Talk about a train wreck and scam. Do not do business with these guys if this is how they conduct their business.

We need to fight back.

Contact me and let's coordinate a plan of attack. Anybody have any ideas on how to proceed?
I'm open to suggestions,

Warm Regards,

~Jim Zak~
http://www.twitter.com/JimZak
Truly Enjoy Helping People Help Themselves

[Jim Zak Contribution Level: 1]

So I guess this is the hot new deal of the week.

As someone just emailed me asking for my opinion.

I'll repeat it here.

If it seems to good to be true, it is.

As always, people are looking for a short cut to riches,

but-

as we all know

no such thing exists..

the best kind of leads are self generated..

and we're in business..

there are no short cuts,

it's a business, and business takes time and work to succeed.

BTW- Mike, I love how direct you are! LOL

Kristen, I couldn't agree with you more However, there is no reason not to have multiple sources of income either. I would never place my overall business plan on a system like this. The thought of there being a double your money back guarantee intrigued me to at least give it a try and if it happened to generate a few funded proposal type of leads and some income to keep it going then so be it.

The way they promoted it was nothing like the way it turned out to be when it was unveiled yesterday. It looked like a totally different opportunity and all the promises were revoked. I didn't find this out until after they launched and took my 10.00.

Again, I totally agree with building your business the right way, building those relationships, providing value etc... I too appreciate Mike Dillard's totally direct/honest comments and should have listened to him.

Chalk one up to experience

Best Wishes

~Jim Zak~
http://www.Twitter.com/JimZak
Truly Enjoy Helping People Help Themselves

[Warren Veach Company: State Continuing Education Contribution Level: 4]

Hi guys and gals,

Just though I'd chip in on the topic. The following is an e-mail I received a few days ago regarding Paul Birdsall and Streamline Funnel System.

I'm not in Streamline Funnel System, so I don't really have much to say about it, but I can say i have seen many more derogatory posts than I have positive posts on the topic.

Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:33:08 -0500
From: (removed)
To:(removed)
Subject: Program Discussion - Streamline Funnel System - A Quick Money Grab?
Greetings Everyone,
A few weeks ago I started receiving messages about a new deal
Called the Streamline Funnel System. The program founder is Paul
Birdsall. I am not familiar with this person but I have been made
Aware of comments made by several folks that I will now share
With everyone on my list. Comments such as.....
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Paul Birdsall?
I remember him as the guy who spammed his own organization in Web Prosperity
Harvesting other people's organizations, and then denied it.
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Yup, Paul birdsall is one to stay away from.
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Go to the extreme blog or js blog and you will get some good info on
why not to join this one. Lots of hype with not much substance and all
from a guy who does not have a good reputation.
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I'll tell you exactly what happened. We were working Web Prosperity,
and all of a sudden everyone get's an email about a "new marketing
system" that our upline was creating. I checked it out, and it was a
generic capture page, that was obviously meant to harvest the email
addresses of as much of the organization as possible. He sent it right
before they were going to flush non upgraded members, so it was
clearly obvious what was going on. I found out it was from Paul
Birdsall. The system allowed people to email their entire organization
at the time. Of course I never would have dreamed that anyone from
upline would be sending out anything that was not directly related to
supporting their team in W.P.
I emailed him and called him on it, and he denied it, but it was
exactly what he was doing. I am not saying that this program is bad, I
know nothing about it. I just know I would never ever join anything
with him.
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Here are reports from two well known bloggers.....
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06/29/09 Streamline Funnel information
Re: Streamline Funnel: After speaking to a bunch of people in regards
to this program here are the conclusions that I’ve come up with. I
will not be playing in this program.
Do not upgrade in this program. They are not being upfront about what
they are offering here. It will cost more than 10$ to play in this
program. They are expecting people to pay decent money to purchase
more leads to ” properly” work their system. That’s total crap!
They are betting that people are going to buy their hype. Do not buy
it. I do not for a second think that this will work for the everyday
person.It’s quite clear that this guy Birdsall has been involved in
some shady deals in the past and that his reputation is, shall we say,
less than stellar. Had I known this information to begin with I never
would’ve touched this program. It gives the illusion as being one that
will work for everyone but when you get the real story they are
telling you to buy leads for more money than most people are even
willing to spend.
Also these leads - where the hell do they get them from? Are they
really double opt-in? Are they spamming people? How can they possibly
give 10,000 leads per person when there are already over 15,000 people
in the program. My calculator tells me that's 15,000,000 leads that
they will need on launch day. Are you serious?
I’m not going to play and I suggest you guys don’t either. This
program is not what its cracked up to be. The only people that will
make the big money here are the guys at the top.
Let me again apologize for buying into the hype myself. I guess some
good did come out of this though as now I can warn you about this
program and hopefully save you some money.
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PROGRAMME REVIEW: StreamLineFunnelSystem
A) Paul Birdsall burned me for $500 with Shaklee and failed to help me
when promised (went on vacation and never contacted a single of my
contacts)
I just do not trust the guy. He actually took down the page he built
for me to recruit for Shaklee. Why? Because I was sending him too many
contacts. He thought I was using traffic exchanges, which I was not. I
told him only my blog and he came back saying he doubts I even had a
blog! Can you believe the guy? Even after I gave him proof.
B) if we don't need to recruit why do we get leads? Another piece of
evidence that we need to recruit is that he says we get a replicated
site just like "this one" so we can send it out to friends and so on
(meaning advertise). Yet he says we need not recruit!? Well, during
pre-launch, which ends in in one day, he says we need to recruit, but
after launch we need not recruit. Oh?
10,000 leads for $9.95 (is that per month? Looks like only when you
first join, then if you want another 10K you need to pay.). What are
we to do with the 10K leads? Will we need an autoresponder like aweber
or GetResponse? If so, will Paul supply us with the messages that are
to go out to those 10K leads? Of course we HAVE to use an
autoresponder with preloaded messages! Else what are you going to do?
Send out 5 e-mails at a time using your e-mail client? Not likely. Oh
and there is a monthly fee for the autoresponder, which is ok if you
are a savvy marketer. From his video on the Compensation plan he is
very vague. He only says things like "let' imagine the letter goes out
to the 10,000". Huh? How Paul? Maybe his software sends out that
letter or letters???
A thought: since folks can purchase 10K lots of leads, and if this
opportunity comes to have 1000's of members, I would conclude that
soon we're going to run out of leads! Since they are targeted and all?
c) A question that arises in my cranium is: everyone that signs up for
the ten bucks gets a UNIQUE set of 10,000 leads or not? Question
unanswered.
d) BIG QUESTION: Paul keeps saying that the leads are double opt-in.
How is that possible if his software steals email addresses and
possibly names from the various sources (like search engines, SOLO
ads, etc.)???? There is no way they could be double opt-in as he would
have to load those into his software then send those leads an e-mail
asking them if they are interested, an if so? He will lose most of
those 10,000 as most of them don't know him from Adam. Now that's a
big red flag. Likely those leads are not even opt-in! Never mind
double opt-in.
CONCLUSIONS:
In his Welcome video he says "If you trust in me", well..... I don't.
This one is not passive.
We may run out of leads at some point.
The leads are most likely (99.99% probability) NOT double opt-in or
single opt-in, which opens us up to SPAM complaints and that's not
good
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My thoughts.....
Many folks will fork over $9.95 and I'm sure that Mr. Birdsall will be
very pleased to receive the funds.
This is very similar to the many Reverse Pension Plans that we have
seen over the years. Many thousands
of folks send money simply because of the low cost involved. What have
they received for their funds?
Absolutely nothing!
With regard to the Streamline Funnel System we must ask ourselves how
it is possible to provide
members with 10000 double opt-in targeted leads at a cost of only $9.95.
I have concluded that this program is in fact nothing more than a
quick money grab for Paul Birdsall and the reckless
heavy hitters that may choose to promote this program.
Ken

[Adam Holland Company: Global Resorts Network Contribution Level: 3]

It's rediculous...
10,000 leads for $10?
That means he has to deliver 1,000,000 leads for every 1,000 people that sign up for the system.
10,000,000 leads for every 10,000, with no end in sight.
If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know, then wake up.
Mike

That's why he doesn't say "exclusive" leads ..

It sounds like Craig Garcia's Automatic Autoresponder. That program is a stand-alone autoresponder that gives you 100,000 emails PER MONTH for $99... or 300,000 leads PER MONTH for $179.

But you know what? The leads are CRAP (at least in my opinion).

People - I'd rather create 1000 of my own targeted leads per month while branding myself, than get 10,000 crap leads.

(It doesn't sound like it, but many programs get 10,000 people to opt in and they "become eachother's list".. but that doesn't sound like the case...)

In Paul's defense, I know he's a good marketer and he's done alot in Success University. Do I trust what he does? Probably. But am I going to jump on every single "downline builder" program I see? No way.

(BTW - my downline is showing over 27,000 for this... eh..)