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[Landon Stewart Company: ViSalus Sciences Contribution Level: 3]

Harry,

I'm not going to compare "who's is bigger" with you because quite frankly, I just don't care.

What I do does not matter.

I only brought up myself to disprove a few of your claims because the claims that you made were false.

1.)You said: You're getting solicited because of low quality content. False.

Every network marketer that generates leads online gets solicitations regardless of content. In fact, I think that the BETTER the content, the more solicitations a person will receive.

Yes, maybe she gets solicited more because of the industry that we're in. I don't see your point though? This is a network marketing forum, obviously our target market is going to be other network marketers or people looking to become network marketers lol.

2.) You said: Even if you build a list into the 10's of thousands, you still won't be making money online. False.

I started making money online with a list of 500 (yes, I did call leads at this point and no I do not market mlsp, but I am a member. I've been in mlsp since the beginning man. I still love it, but it's nearly impossible to be profitable with mlsp up front with paid solo ads, so I don't market it.)

3.) You said: To make money online you need to be a guru with a list in the hundreds of thousands. False.

I'm not a guru, nor do I have a list in the hundreds and I'm making money online.

False, false, false.

You made 3 claims that are false about the internet network marketing industry.

That's the only reason I brought up myself. I don't want people thinking they need to be a guru to make money.

btw. i spend $1.18 per lead on average. I generate 300-500 per week.

The stuff that I sell up front pays for all of my ad costs and then some, so every lead I generate is free and I usually profit per lead.

I then make roughly 50 cents per lead on my list per month on the backend, which is all pure profit for me.

I'm a network marketer so I generate leads that are network marketers, therefore yes, you were right one time. I probably do get solicited more because of the type of leads that I generate.

[Harry Fassett Contribution Level: 4]

Well Landon, I guess the only thing to do is to get into the octagon and have it out, and see who wins that way. LOL!

Anyway, you make some money, and again, what you make isn't what most people are thinking, oh, I'm making the huge income from home, and from your writing skills, you are better than most and most don't have very good sales copy skills and even with a big list, they will bomb miserably.

Anyway, you make some money, and most gurus make a lot more than you do and do it full time and make probably close to six figures a year if they are what they say they are, and are doing (that's the money I'm talking about to be more specific), but I don't see you at that level, and that's not making real money making a real full time income, not in CA where I'm at, that might pay your rent in a two bedroom crappy apt here in LA, and that's it.

But many that do make say the income level you are at, hype themselves and their results to the max from what I've experienced and sound like they are making 18K a day every day, and that it's easy to do and you should just run to get on their list to find out how. So with that, no need to respond, enough said on this subject. Chiao. HF

Any

Harry,

I'm not going to compare "who's is bigger" with you because quite frankly, I just don't care.

What I do does not matter.

I only brought up myself to disprove a few of your claims because the claims that you made were false.

1.)You said: You're getting solicited because of low quality content. False.

Every network marketer that generates leads online gets solicitations regardless of content. In fact, I think that the BETTER the content, the more solicitations a person will receive.

Yes, maybe she gets solicited more because of the industry that we're in. I don't see your point though? This is a network marketing forum, obviously our target market is going to be other network marketers or people looking to become network marketers lol.

2.) You said: Even if you build a list into the 10's of thousands, you still won't be making money online. False.

I started making money online with a list of 500 (yes, I did call leads at this point and no I do not market mlsp, but I am a member. I've been in mlsp since the beginning man. I still love it, but it's nearly impossible to be profitable with mlsp up front with paid solo ads, so I don't market it.)

3.) You said: To make money online you need to be a guru with a list in the hundreds of thousands. False.

I'm not a guru, nor do I have a list in the hundreds and I'm making money online.

False, false, false.

You made 3 claims that are false about the internet network marketing industry.

That's the only reason I brought up myself. I don't want people thinking they need to be a guru to make money.

btw. i spend $1.18 per lead on average. I generate 300-500 per week.

The stuff that I sell up front pays for all of my ad costs and then some, so every lead I generate is free and I usually profit per lead.

I then make roughly 50 cents per lead on my list per month on the backend, which is all pure profit for me.

I'm a network marketer so I generate leads that are network marketers, therefore yes, you were right one time. I probably do get solicited more because of the type of leads that I generate.

[Landon Stewart Company: ViSalus Sciences Contribution Level: 3]

Well Landon, I guess the only thing to do is to get into the octagon and have it out, and see who wins that way. LOL!

Anyway, you make some money, and again, what you make isn't what most people are thinking, oh, I'm making the huge income from home, and from your writing skills, you are better than most and most don't have very good sales copy skills and even with a big list, they will bomb miserably.

Anyway, you make some money, and most gurus make a lot more than you do and do it full time and make probably close to six figures a year if they are what they say they are, and are doing (that's the money I'm talking about to be more specific), but I don't see you at that level, and that's not making real money making a real full time income, not in CA where I'm at, that might pay your rent in a two bedroom crappy apt here in LA, and that's it.

But many that do make say the income level you are at, hype themselves and their results to the max from what I've experienced and sound like they are making 18K a day every day, and that it's easy to do and you should just run to get on their list to find out how. So with that, no need to respond, enough said on this subject. Chiao. HF

Any

Harry,

I'm not going to compare "who's is bigger" with you because quite frankly, I just don't care.

What I do does not matter.

I only brought up myself to disprove a few of your claims because the claims that you made were false.

1.)You said: You're getting solicited because of low quality content. False.

Every network marketer that generates leads online gets solicitations regardless of content. In fact, I think that the BETTER the content, the more solicitations a person will receive.

Yes, maybe she gets solicited more because of the industry that we're in. I don't see your point though? This is a network marketing forum, obviously our target market is going to be other network marketers or people looking to become network marketers lol.

2.) You said: Even if you build a list into the 10's of thousands, you still won't be making money online. False.

I started making money online with a list of 500 (yes, I did call leads at this point and no I do not market mlsp, but I am a member. I've been in mlsp since the beginning man. I still love it, but it's nearly impossible to be profitable with mlsp up front with paid solo ads, so I don't market it.)

3.) You said: To make money online you need to be a guru with a list in the hundreds of thousands. False.

I'm not a guru, nor do I have a list in the hundreds and I'm making money online.

False, false, false.

You made 3 claims that are false about the internet network marketing industry.

That's the only reason I brought up myself. I don't want people thinking they need to be a guru to make money.

btw. i spend $1.18 per lead on average. I generate 300-500 per week.

The stuff that I sell up front pays for all of my ad costs and then some, so every lead I generate is free and I usually profit per lead.

I then make roughly 50 cents per lead on my list per month on the backend, which is all pure profit for me.

I'm a network marketer so I generate leads that are network marketers, therefore yes, you were right one time. I probably do get solicited more because of the type of leads that I generate.

haha i remember my first "gurus are the bad guy" temper tantrum.

which btw, your rant has nothing to do with what this thread is about or the false claims that you made in your first post.

I've already proven everything you said to be false, so why not just admit it?

Internet Network Marketers can:

A. Make money without a big list.

B. Make money without being a guru with a list of a hundred thousand people.

C. Get solicitations through email, even if your content is good.

[Landon Stewart Company: ViSalus Sciences Contribution Level: 3]

And btw, to all newer network marketers that are reading my long winded, semi-boring rants, im in no way telling you to not call your leads. If youre new, you need to maximize the amount of money that you make off of each lead you generare and (unfortunately) the best way to do that is with the phone. Old school stuff is still the fastest way to get into profit <== saying that didnt hurt at much as i thought it would

[Jagan Krishnan Contribution Level: 2]

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Lynda, try sending out an email that goes something like this.

Hi,

So yesterday I got another email.

There was this guy who DESPERATELY wanted me to join his supposedly
awesome company.

Poor loser.

He takes all the pain to get on my list JUST SO THAT he can contact me and
get me interested in his business.

Like I would be dying to join his pathetic business.

Haha.

Some people make me laugh.

Looks like there is no limit to their stupidity.

Now, am I being harsh?

Of course.

Am I trying to piss you off?

Most definitely.

You see, most people preach the concept of Attraction Marketing.

But as the great Ben Settle says, I am into Repulsion Marketing.

You see, even this short ranty email contains a simple yet profound marketing lesson.

To get good customers, you need to create marketing campaigns that NOT ONLY
attract good customers but also repel off bad customers, tire kickers, time wasters,
spammers, freebie junkies and all other kinds of hopeless losers.

Now take the case of this email.

Only those who spam, solicit others and do sorts of embarrassing things will
get irritated by this email and unsubscribe.

The rest, on the other hand, will be having a hearty laugh.

So coming back to my point, here's the basic idea:

Don't solicit me.

If you do, I won't feel bad.

I promise.

I will just be amused and laugh at your stupidity.

And probably send out an email to my list telling them about you.

So there you go.

Next time, anyone sends you messages asking you to join their business, don't get angry.

Get amused.

Laugh at them.

And please 'o' please, don't have all the fun by yourself.

Send out an email to your list about what you got.

You will repel off idiots from your list.

Plus, your list members will get to have a bit of fun too.

So see ya then.

Until next time,

---your name---

P.S - What kind of a dumb marketer would I be if I don't use this opportunity to
promote my product?

To learn how to get leads and make sales WITHOUT looking like a moron:

http://clickthisbloodydamnlink.com

Most probably, you may not feel like sending out an email like this because it may not resonate with your writing style. But feel free to get a bit aggressive and bit more open and I am sure your list members will know who you really are and stop messing around with you.

At least, the number of solicitations should drop.

All it takes is 10-15 minutes a day to put out an email that silently sorts out your list for you.

[Landon Stewart Company: ViSalus Sciences Contribution Level: 3]

Wow Jagan, and I thought my copy was pretty blunt! haha

But really, I like the it. I follow Ben Settle as well. Definitely one of the best email marketers out there and I use "sorting emails" with my list too.

Email marketing isn't about getting everybody to just like you.

It's about getting X% of people to absolutely love you and want to buy all your stuff.

Are you an email players subscriber?

[Jagan Krishnan Contribution Level: 2]

I follow Ben Settle as well. Definitely one of the best email marketers out there and I use "sorting emails" with my list too.

One of the best?

According to me, Ben is THE BEST ONE out there (of course, opinions vary).

Jim Yaghi is another email monster.

Love Daegan's stuff too. His new story sequence is pretty cool.

Email marketing isn't about getting everybody to just like you.

It's about getting X% of people to absolutely love you and want to buy all your stuff.

Are you an email players subscriber?

Yeah...that's what email marketing is all about.

As far as Email Players newsletter is concerned, no, I am not a member yet.

But I will definitely become one soon.

How about you?

[Landon Stewart Company: ViSalus Sciences Contribution Level: 3]

Yeah Jagan, Jim Yhaghi is really good as well. I think the best is Mark Hoverson though. His copy is amazing.

[Lynda Cromar Company: Empower Network, LLC Contribution Level: 9]

I am having fun just listening

It is quite obvious there are many opinions here.

Here I hope this might help

its not about how big the list is, its about how responsive the list is.

How do you create that responsiveness? In my opinion by knowing your target market.

It seems though we have digressed a bit.

The question was is Reverse E-mail Marketing ever a good process?

In other words, do you practice it or do you teach it. Actually I hope everyone here said no to that one.


And for any that don't know what it is, its a practice of getting on someones permission-based list (aweber) and then sending them solicitations about your opportunity or product. Which seems to be prevailient. And I have to agree with Landon that it is not because of the quality of what content you send to your list, there will be a percentage that think that they will gain a sale from this practice.

What it says to me is the person is desperate and doesn't understand marketing.

[Landon Stewart Company: ViSalus Sciences Contribution Level: 3]

I am having fun just listening

It is quite obvious there are many opinions here.

Here I hope this might help

its not about how big the list is, its about how responsive the list is.

How do you create that responsiveness? In my opinion by knowing your target market.

It seems though we have digressed a bit.

The question was is Reverse E-mail Marketing ever a good process?

In other words, do you practice it or do you teach it. Actually I hope everyone here said no to that one.


And for any that don't know what it is, its a practice of getting on someones permission-based list (aweber) and then sending them solicitations about your opportunity or product. Which seems to be prevailient. And I have to agree with Landon that it is not because of the quality of what content you send to your list, there will be a percentage that think that they will gain a sale from this practice.

What it says to me is the person is desperate and doesn't understand marketing.

Yeah Lynda you're exactly right.

The best ways to create a good relationship with your list (even it's a small one):

1.) Email them early and often.

2.) Provide good value in the emails you send.

3.) Sell expensive stuff. (I know this sounds conterintuitive, but if you promote expensive stuff to your list often, they will be MUCH more likely to buy funded proposals and systems like MLSP because it will seem cheap. And if you ONLY promote cheap stuff, if you ever try selling your biz opp for $500 or more, you'll get a lot of unsubscribes because that isn't expected)

And yeah reverse email marketing is a terrible marketing strategy lol. I don't mean to plug my own stuff or anything, but I actually used this thread as an example in the blog post I just wrote . The 3 worst marketing strategies ever: http://landonstewartmarketing.com/minds ... trategies/