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[Chris Brown Contribution Level: 3]

One thing I have noticed on this forum is someone will write a post with some marketing advice then someone will in a not so direct way call them an idiot. They will say stuff like you are wrong, ect...

Most of us here are here to network and if you say stuff like this that is a easy way to get people not to like you. Everything that people share on here works it just may not be what you like to do or perhaps you personally have not found success using that model.

If you don't agree you don't have to say I don't agree your wrong you can just write your point of view. What have you experienced on this forum please share?

[Brian Schultz Contribution Level: 2]

It's kind of a subjective topic.

I mean the point of a discussion is to look at all sides. And there are things that simply don't work (and no I'm not calling you an idiot in any way ), but there are things that don't work. If I stood on a street corner with a bull horn I don't think that would generate a lot of business for me.

If someone disagrees with something I don't see any harm with them bringing their opinions to the table. That's how people learn. Discussions are two sided, and a good discussion brings both pros and cons into the discussion.

[Mario Sanders Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 6]

You're not an idiot when you post an article for discussion and get varied opinions. What works for someone else may not be ready to be working for you. Give it a thought and find out what will work for you. Suggestions are given for everyone and ideas are set in your minds to think of other ways than you are thinking.
A discussion is what it is. Gathered opinions from contributors from different angles of a situation. If you are having a hard time trying different approaches, try posting some of those questions to an educated forum who have been where you looking to reach. Their opinions matter and I would value their advice.

[Michaelangelo Flores Contribution Level: 1]

Quite the bare basics of people skills - according to a book I've read (How To Win Friends and Influence People), nobody likes being told that they are wrong or are an idiot. Even if they are wrong, don't say it to them directly and let them save face and let them realize on their own that they are wrong.

It's usually best to approach it like "I see your point, however..." or "I understand what you mean..."

Because even if you tell someone they're wrong - they're obviously not gonna like you for it, even when they realize it themselves.

I've had someone literally reply to one of my posts saying that what I preached was a 'common mistake' (which it obviously wasn't, since I among other people were having success with the said principle) and said that their principle is the right one. I just chose to ignore it and agreed with their principle but still stuck to my own original point.
What works for some doesn't always work for others, I guess.

[Adam Taha Contribution Level: 8]

I might have seen the beginning of this thread as..

Write to be 'liked'.

Whether people for example like me or not, is not my concern. TRUST is better than like. Trust is when someone has a lot to gain but knows, he has to be true to what he or she believes, and share their opinion.

Integrity first.

I don't trust someone who writes for the sake of people liking them.

The business quadrant is a tough cookie sometimes. One thing one must never do, is write, talk to be liked. Rather know their values, know who they are, what they believe and stick with them. Naturally one will attract what they are.

However, I think from what you're saying is, even if you don't agree with the person, to say it nicely, not insult them and so forth. In that, I agree. I too can be harsh at times but we are all growing and one day, we grow to be more patient, mature to see the bigger picture.

I'm 43 and I still have a lot of growing and I'm sure, when I'm 80, I will still have need a lot of growing too.

I think, if I'm correct that's what you meant when you started the thread and not really, to write, reply t be liked. To not insult people, not call them names, be nice even if you disagree.

There we go. If Adam can do it, I'm sure there's hope for all of us. Cause I too, can be very firm, passionate when replying cause I'm very passionate, believe in what I believe but still - it be nice to say it nicely, disagree nicely.

I think people need to not take things too personally, but rather be emotionally strong or they ain't going to make it in business quadrant world.

Adam Taha

[Michaelangelo Flores Contribution Level: 1]

I might have seen the beginning of this thread as..

Write to be 'liked'.

Whether people for example like me or not, is not my concern. TRUST is better than like. Trust is when someone has a lot to gain but knows, he has to be true to what he or she believes, and share their opinion.

Integrity first.

I don't trust someone who writes for the sake of people liking them.

Makes sense and I agree.
Now that you're on the subject of 'trust' and 'integrity' though, is it possible to 'trust' someone without 'liking' or respecting them first (like and respect isnt exactly the same, btw)?
I'm not so sure if a person will 'trust' somebody else if they made them feel like an idiot would they?
Or I may be misconceiving your original point here?

I understand what you're saying though, in terms of 'posting just to be liked' or posting just to gain fans. That's of course, a different matter in my opinion and is more towards the quality of the posts that you give out.

More on the notion of making someone feel like an idiot - I don't think anyone will like/respect/appreciate/trust someone like that no matter how right or how strong their integrity are.
That's just how it is with people, I guess. I learned this the hard way as I too was once quite blunt (maybe still am).

[Adam Taha Contribution Level: 8]

I might have seen the beginning of this thread as..

Write to be 'liked'.

Whether people for example like me or not, is not my concern. TRUST is better than like. Trust is when someone has a lot to gain but knows, he has to be true to what he or she believes, and share their opinion.

Integrity first.

I don't trust someone who writes for the sake of people liking them.

Makes sense and I agree.
Now that you're on the subject of 'trust' and 'integrity' though, is it possible to 'trust' someone without 'liking' or respecting them first (like and respect isnt exactly the same, btw)?
I'm not so sure if a person will 'trust' somebody else if they made them feel like an idiot would they?
Or I may be misconceiving your original point here?

I understand what you're saying though, in terms of 'posting just to be liked' or posting just to gain fans. That's of course, a different matter in my opinion and is more towards the quality of the posts that you give out.

More on the notion of making someone feel like an idiot - I don't think anyone will like/respect/appreciate/trust someone like that no matter how right or how strong their integrity are.
That's just how it is with people, I guess. I learned this the hard way as I too was once quite blunt (maybe still am).

What I'm saying mate, is as a Mentor for example - the person's friends will tell them what they like to hear. My responsibility is to help them person to listen to what they NEED to hear.

Their life is at stake and I'm not going to pretty it for them.

I'm not going to tell the person it's easy, peasy, you can make money, just like that, and in a month you make $5,000 a month. Or, 'yeah I agree' and I don't. I'm going to talk but I don't need to down the guy in doing so.

Not because I am trying to win that person to like me.

It is obvious, for any human being, that you talk down to them, humiliate them, be nasty etc, then of course people will despise that person.

That if you shout at a person, if the person talks down to someone, if a person abuses someone online, then of course ANYONE will get upset. Anyone will turn off from someone else.

It's human nature.

But let's not lie and pretend, that people buy because they LIKE. This is why many Network Marketers fail in sales. They sell to get accepted and take rejection personally. They want to be liked. They want to be accepted. They want a yes and fear a no.

Instead of approaching to ask questions to see if the prospect has a need, and if the prospect can show proof of this need, and if this prospect can show comittment.

But not. The average Network Marketer wants to be liked, accepted, recognise, 'Please, I beg you, say yes. I NEED to sponsor someone, right now, to show to everyone I got a pin level!'

They don't have enough info on a person to like.

They don't have enough info on CEO of many corporations and yet people buy because their values connect with what has been bombarded in their home for years, through TV. They RELATE to the brand instead of LIKE.

When you talk to your audience, you're not trying to get them to like you. You're trying to RELATE with empathy and at same time, you use your own character traite. Whether that is dominate, bold and down right "AAAAAAH WARRIOR!'

Or it's 'I'm a nice guy, hello everyone' it's who you are.

Let's go even further...

When a person decides to go to university, pays $9,000 a year for a degree, do they look to see if they like the university and lecturers?

They look at the reputation of the university, it's name, it's track record. They are looking at the values that is important in their life. If that university has it then the person goes for it.

When a football player wants to join a team, does he look at if they like him? No. It's business. There's not enough info to be liked. They pay for that footballer due to his performance and later on, the personality, the rest falls into place.

Now, if that doesn't work, then you see, footballers are sold to other teams.

When someone walks into an Interview room - does the manager, or boss or whoever it is, thinks about if that person likes them?

No. They are going to make sure, to push this person to a level to see if he gets angry easily, if he or she has a mindset strong enough to lead a team, if they are emotionally strong and mentally strong. They push that person with tests, hard questions.

When the person goes to the interview, they are not thinking, 'will I like them?' It's 'will they like me, see what I got, see my value, my skills, I need a job, pay bills.' etc

There is a deep thing in relationship friend. It is much more than like. It starts way before liking. It's called values.

People who haven't read enough, grown enough, see someone being nasty to someone else don't get it. I see the angry person just someone with different values.

Why am I going to be upset with his or her views, no matter what they say?

[Michaelangelo Flores Contribution Level: 1]

I understand what you were saying.
What I was getting to in context of the topic is that at the end of the day, you can't really earn somebody's trust/respect/like/whatever-is-deeper by making someone feel like an idiot. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with saying things that people will like or pleasing everyone. That's certainly not the point.
Yes, there are things that shouldn't be sugar-coated and some people need to be told what they need to. Not really the case here either. I believe what the thread was trying to address and let me rephrase it here: people will not appreciate (like/trust/respect/whatever) your 'values' by making them look or feel like an idiot. Now making someone 'like' you isn't necessarily one way of avoiding this.

[Adam Taha Contribution Level: 8]

I understand what you were saying.
What I was getting to in context of the topic is that at the end of the day, you can't really earn somebody's trust/respect/like/whatever-is-deeper by making someone feel like an idiot. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with saying things that people will like or pleasing everyone. That's certainly not the point.
Yes, there are things that shouldn't be sugar-coated and some people need to be told what they need to. Not really the case here either. I believe what the thread was trying to address and let me rephrase it here: people will not appreciate (like/trust/respect/whatever) your 'values' by making them look or feel like an idiot. Now making someone 'like' you isn't necessarily one way of avoiding this.

Yes, sure. That I agree.

But also...

You cannot earn someone's trust even if you don't say, they are an idiot, either. I'm not saying that's a reason to go and call someone an idoit.

But we have to understand what you just said.

A good example is - a person saw someone they like. they really liked that person. I mean deep down, That person cannot stop thinking about that him or her.

They try and be nice. They say all the right words, at the right time.

They try to do all that can be done to earn EARN that trust, respect, like, love etc.

Sadly, it doesn't work.

The next day, that person sees the one they so liked - holding hands, kissing etc at a nightclub or park with someone else.

All that and...nothing.

Why?

Because it is not about the person who got hurt. Cruel it may seem to be.

A person will be drawn to that other person's value, not because they earnedthe trust, earned respect or whatever.

But because...

That person has something they want.

That's what I'm getting at. So what's the use then, trying to not speak up, say what's on our mind.

We say one thing, and yet, contradict what we are saying at the same time.

By the way Chris...

Isn't this new thread, doing the same thing you're against. An INDIRECT way to talk about someone else, seen in another forum thread?

Adam Taha

[Michaelangelo Flores Contribution Level: 1]

I understand what you were saying.
What I was getting to in context of the topic is that at the end of the day, you can't really earn somebody's trust/respect/like/whatever-is-deeper by making someone feel like an idiot. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with saying things that people will like or pleasing everyone. That's certainly not the point.
Yes, there are things that shouldn't be sugar-coated and some people need to be told what they need to. Not really the case here either. I believe what the thread was trying to address and let me rephrase it here: people will not appreciate (like/trust/respect/whatever) your 'values' by making them look or feel like an idiot. Now making someone 'like' you isn't necessarily one way of avoiding this.

Yes, sure. That I agree.

But also...

You cannot earn someone's trust even if you don't say, they are an idiot, either. I'm not saying that's a reason to go and call someone an idoit.

But we have to understand what you just said.

A good example is - a person saw someone they like. they really liked that person. I mean deep down, That person cannot stop thinking about that him or her.

They try and be nice. They say all the right words, at the right time.

They try to do all that can be done to earn EARN that trust, respect, like, love etc.

Sadly, it doesn't work.

The next day, that person sees the one they so liked - holding hands, kissing etc at a nightclub or park with someone else.

All that and...nothing.

Why?

Because it is not about the person who got hurt. Cruel it may seem to be.

A person will be drawn to that other person's value, not because they earnedthe trust, earned respect or whatever.

But because...

That person has something they want.

That's what I'm getting at. So what's the use then, trying to not speak up, say what's on our mind.

We say one thing, and yet, contradict what we are saying at the same time.

So, isn't this then, this new thread, a INDIRECT way to talk about someone else, seen in another forum thread?

Adam Taha

Great example. It sorta reflects what a lot of people try to do here in a way.
I see what you were trying to get at. Kinda like those people who are like "Hey I want you to like me so you can click my affiliate link" and then don't get anything in the end.

As for this thread being about someone else? I dunno, probably. Maybe he felt the need to make it known to us that he didn't like being made an idiot?