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[Joyce Penner Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 8]

I had an interesting discussion the other day with a guy who kept insisting he made 100% commission in his business and it wasn't an affiliate program.

Course I asked him questions and did that get him excited! Wow, he thought he had a live one.

Then the questions got a little uncomfortable for him. Now let me see if I understand this: You get paid 100% commissions but the 2nd person you enroll those commissions roll up to your sponsor?

I could just see him nodding in excitement.

So if I grab a calculator, add up your commission of $100 for the first and $100 for the second that equals $200, is that right?

Yup, the guy sounded like he was going to pee his pants.

You have 2 people in your organization now which generated $200 of which you got $100. That looks like a 50% commission to you, right?

No, but the next person that joins me I get 100% commission, he says (still excited).

So you have 3 people now which generated $300 of which you get $200. That looks like a 66% commission.

And the 4th person generates $400 of which you get $200 so we're back down to 50% commission.

And the 5th person generates $500 of which you get $200 so we're at 40% commissions.

So, I ask him, how much is your actual commissions?

Silence.

I could have been easier on him but this type of bogus play on words is at best - dishonest and hurts everyone who's utilizing affiliate marketing as a part of their income stream.

So I ask you, do you keep quiet or should you point out the truth when a blatant lie is being perpetrated as truth.
Joyce

p.s. I didn't even get to the "it's not an affiliate program" baloney.

[Jagan Krishnan Contribution Level: 2]

I had an interesting discussion the other day with a guy who kept insisting he made 100% commission in his business and it wasn't an affiliate program.

Course I asked him questions and did that get him excited! Wow, he thought he had a live one.

Then the questions got a little uncomfortable for him. Now let me see if I understand this: You get paid 100% commissions but the 2nd person you enroll those commissions roll up to your sponsor?

I could just see him nodding in excitement.

So if I grab a calculator, add up your commission of $100 for the first and $100 for the second that equals $200, is that right?

Yup, the guy sounded like he was going to pee his pants.

You have 2 people in your organization now which generated $200 of which you got $100. That looks like a 50% commission to you, right?

No, but the next person that joins me I get 100% commission, he says (still excited).

So you have 3 people now which generated $300 of which you get $200. That looks like a 66% commission.

And the 4th person generates $400 of which you get $200 so we're back down to 50% commission.

And the 5th person generates $500 of which you get $200 so we're at 40% commissions.

So, I ask him, how much is your actual commissions?

Silence.

I could have been easier on him but this type of bogus play on words is at best - dishonest and hurts everyone who's utilizing affiliate marketing as a part of their income stream.

So I ask you, do you keep quiet or should you point out the truth when a blatant lie is being perpetrated as truth.
Joyce

p.s. I didn't even get to the "it's not an affiliate program" baloney.

Awesome Joyce.

You have nailed it.

Anyone who is thinking that EN is the answer to all their problems is gonna get slaughtered real bad.

However with all being said, I must admit that the whole idea behind EN is SHEER BRILLIANCE.

Screw the 100% commission.

The real leverage is in sales getting passed up to you.

As everyone knows, the 2nd, 4th, 6th, 10th..(and every 5th sale thereafter) made by the person whom your sponsor gets passed on to you.

And guess what:

The 2nd, 4th, 6th, 10th and every 5th sales made by ALL the people (who got passed on to you) get passed on to you.

This goes all the way to infinity.

Now that's not all.

One can earn commissions only on those products that they purchase.

So if someone you sponsor doesn't purchase the $500 product and someone they sponsor purchase it, then you get the $500 and they get this:

"Sorry you just lost a $500 commission."

Fear of loss used in the best way possible.

End result - People go scrambling to buy as much product as they can afford.

Of course this opens up EN to scrutiny by regulatory bodies as A HELL A LOT OF PEOPLE purchase stuff not because of its merit but because of other aspects.

Same like MLM (its a gray area in the MLM world too).

Truth is that David Wood and David Sharpe have created an incredibly compelling offer.

Yes, the way they market it doesn't reveal the full picture.

That is one major issue.

But who cares. The masses don't think anyway.

Anyways, I just want to say that this is an awesome post.

[Joyce Penner Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 8]

Wow Jagan, you've painted a picture there that is going to blow some people away.

It sounds like you have a personal, first hand level of experience to share.

If you are involved, are you as honest with your potential downline as you are with us? You must be or you've really blown the whole ball game out of the water with this post.

I appreciate this: honesty ! It's rare you know and you have created that uniqueness of "you" or attraction marketing if you prefer, that you'll tell the truth no matter if it scares a potential paying customer off.

Hats off to you !
Joyce

[Jagan Krishnan Contribution Level: 2]

Wow Jagan, you've painted a picture there that is going to blow some people away.

It sounds like you have a personal, first hand level of experience to share.

If you are involved, are you as honest with your potential downline as you are with us? You must be or you've really blown the whole ball game out of the water with this post.

I appreciate this: honesty ! It's rare you know and you have created that uniqueness of "you" or attraction marketing if you prefer, that you'll tell the truth no matter if it scares a potential paying customer off.

Hats off to you !
Joyce

Hey thanks.

Actually I am NOT a member of EN.

Never was.

But I can't honestly say its crap or anything like that because its a really good concept.

As a product, EN has value.

As a affiliate program, it has loads of value and can be used as a good income stream (however network marketers need to check their company terms and conditions because this can be perceived as competing mlm).

But as a main business model, nope, that's just not cool.

One Google slap to the main domain and you will see the whole community coming down like a pack of cards (truth be told, both the Davids are trying to position this company as a personal development company even though it may not look like that from the outside).

What people don't realize is that the most successful marketers in EN are those who actually KNOW how to sell stuff. These people would be successful in anything.

Yes, EN has an incredible fear of loss aspect added to its sales process which results in faaar more sales than what should occur but let's face it:

EN is just like MLM when it was introduced.

The only difference is that the products are in the "make money online" niche.

The time will come when other marketers (seeing EN's success) will start incorporating an mlm twist to their sell products.

That's when the real test begins (when the marketplace is saturated with similar products).

That's the time when people will start realizing "Hey, this isn't as simple as it looks".

Truth is that, running a business requires you to learn how to sell stuff. You can't get away without learning that.

The problem is that most people don't even want to acknowledge this fact (let alone act upon it).

[Mario Sanders Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 6]

I can see that nothing gets pass you, Joyce!
I must ask those questions the next time someone tries to recruit me into their business.
I'd never tell anyone how much I would be making in this business. It's better to tell them how much they could make with a lot of effort. So if they don't make those figures they can't come back and blame anyone but themselves.

[Joyce Penner Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 8]

I can see that nothing gets pass you, Joyce!
I must ask those questions the next time someone tries to recruit me into their business.
I'd never tell anyone how much I would be making in this business. It's better to tell them how much they could make with a lot of effort. So if they don't make those figures they can't come back and blame anyone but themselves.

That's the key to being a professional network marketer Mario. Ask questions, then listen. In this particular case the guy had just absorbed everything he'd heard as truth.
Joyce

[Tadas Luksys Contribution Level: 1]

The one of biggest mistake people doing is doing a business that really based
struggle to recruit. Recruiting is a job, not a business. Business in MLM is ability
to find right people, ability to relate with right people. People try to recruit everybody
and everywhere than later starts feeling psychology, emotionally pain, more frustration
to maintain action on team and maintain them monthly fees, but they don't understand that
those people are not for that, they got there through only because of false expectation.

I feel results and feel happier, not when recruit thim, but the recruited people get the results
he expected I explained him before.