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[Lynda Cromar Company: Empower Network, LLC Contribution Level: 9]

Okay so what brought this on was as my list grows I get a lot of people that as they start getting my value-packed posts they think that is an invitation to solicit me.

I even had one say that he got it directly from an auto-responder that it is okay to do that. In this world where permission-based marketing is a key ingredient to correct marketing, it just seems wrong if its still being taught.

These individuals are doing it by the way from private e-mails. I know for a fact that you can get shut down from your yahoo or gmail if you get enough complaints, that I assure you that you will if you send too many unsolicited e-mails.

As always I love to get feedback, suggestions, and better ways to use e-mail to talk to your list.

What say you?

[Joyce Penner Company: Life Force International Contribution Level: 8]

as my list grows I get a lot of people that as they start getting my value-packed posts they think that is an invitation to solicit me.

My best advice to you would be to call your leads within 24 hours. They will know from your posture that you are not in a position to be solicited.
Joyce

[Lynda Cromar Company: Empower Network, LLC Contribution Level: 9]

as my list grows I get a lot of people that as they start getting my value-packed posts they think that is an invitation to solicit me.

My best advice to you would be to call your leads within 24 hours. They will know from your posture that you are not in a position to be solicited.
Joyce

As always great advice from you Joyce

[Landon Stewart Company: ViSalus Sciences Contribution Level: 3]

From an online marketers point of view, it's a stupid marketing strategy. I highly doubt that will ever get any sales based on many factors, but mostly because of what you're saying, which is permission. Cold emailing, like cold calling is highly ineffective. Your list would be much better off sending you an email and asking you HOW you got them on your list. That information could eventually get them sales.

And then from a lead generation point of view, I personally like the interaction with my leads. Bring it. Solicit me, ask me questions, tell me how stupid I am, I don't care, I love it all.

This is where the majority of my online content comes from.

I start a ton of emails and blog posts "so I got this question the other day" or "so the other day I got some hate mail". It's fun. It's story telling. It allows me to sell stuff without selling. There's probably other cool benefits as well.

So to answer your question.

Reverse E-mail marketing = not good practice.

If you really don't want to get emails back, I think you can even block incoming emails to your specific email address. But I wouldn't do that

[Lynda Cromar Company: Empower Network, LLC Contribution Level: 9]

From an online marketers point of view, it's a stupid marketing strategy. I highly doubt that will ever get any sales based on many factors, but mostly because of what you're saying, which is permission. Cold emailing, like cold calling is highly ineffective. Your list would be much better off sending you an email and asking you HOW you got them on your list. That information could eventually get them sales.

And then from a lead generation point of view, I personally like the interaction with my leads. Bring it. Solicit me, ask me questions, tell me how stupid I am, I don't care, I love it all.

This is where the majority of my online content comes from.

I start a ton of emails and blog posts "so I got this question the other day" or "so the other day I got some hate mail". It's fun. It's story telling. It allows me to sell stuff without selling. There's probably other cool benefits as well.

So to answer your question.

Reverse E-mail marketing = not good practice.

If you really don't want to get emails back, I think you can even block incoming emails to your specific email address. But I wouldn't do that

Great stuff Landon, thanks!

[willie robertson Contribution Level: 4]

Don't know if this applies, but in days gone by I would use my "AUTO REPLY" or "Vacation" mode on my email provider to send an immediate reply back to those who send me emails.

I get so much junk email I figured I'd turn the tables.

I don't do this often, but I have made some sales when I used auto reply.

Cold emailing is not for me, though.

Also, on the flip side, I might return an email if I see someone that I could help to become a better marketer.

Admittedly, while some marketer's don't care, some just don't know any better.

[Harry Fassett Contribution Level: 4]

If they are opting in and soliciting you, then you have a quality issue. For whatever reason, you are getting clueless people on your list and for whatever reason, they are probably getting on your list so that they can email you because again, you have a quality of lead issue, and a lot of it may have to do with what your offer was when they decided to optin in the first place.

In other words, they don't respect you, and so again, there are so many people online trying to make a living now that even if you have 10's of thousands on your list by now, you probably won't even get close to making a full time living emailing people unless you are a known guru with 100's of thousands on your list by now and well established and write copy to make every offer look like the best thing since sliced bread, and that it's easy and proven and works and blah, blah, blah, blah and blow some more smoke up my.... will ya.

Forester Research: The majority of people buy from a company online (regardless of size) after three points of contact, email, phone, social media, search marketing, and offline or online direct advertising.

I listed no particular order, and three of any combination of the above is the case.

In other words, too many people are way too late to party of the email marketing only game and many are not making the money they claim they are, and just outright lie for whatever reason to get people to opt-in to their list or to get them to buy whatever they have to offer.

I saw this person advertising a webinar saying that they generate 69 leads a day, and made 18K in one day. Ok, first off; 69 leads daily? 69 leads? 69 leads? Get my point? 18K in one day, 18K in one day, 18K in one day. Lets see...69, and 18K. Talk about subconscious or subliminal marketing! LOL! I filled out the form for the webinar and was taken to a MLSP landing page, and then I almost puked. Really. Give me a break please!

I see so many outlandish offers and claims about income per day (never giving you the details and their "NET, NET" profit) or whatever by MLSP users than any other user of other autoreponder systems, and once you've seen one MLSP landing page, you've seen them all. That's why most autoresponder systems probably don't offer the landing page option. They don't want all their users using the same cheesy landing pages that are not custom with their autoreponder system, thus making them look like a cheesy service, and not profession, and not good for branding. Anyway...

Basic question; how much time did it take (months, years, decades etc) to get to the point where they supposedly made 18k in one day, and how many optin subscribers do they actually have now, and how much "spend" did it take to get the 18K in one day, e.g. did they spend 17K over "X" amount of time to finally make 18K in one day?, or actually lost money, and spent more than 18K to make 18K, and how were the leads actually acquired? Right, you got in on their webinar to find out and became of them and didn't even realize it.

As I mentioned on other Social media sites the other day...

First thing I learned from being a database admin working for a very major leads Company here in Los Angeles CA years ago (can you say we moved 1000,000 leads a week sometimes) be very leery of anybody who says, I can show you how to get "X" amount of leads and make the big bucks with them.

First off, how was the lead acquired? What was the offer the lead responded to if any? What quality of lead is it? In other words, how much was the lead qualified, and qualified for what? Is the lead really in your demographic, and how old is the lead?

Was the lead pre-qualified by having to pay a little in advance to opt-in, or by some free "give away" or drawing offer or like I see all over the net these days with people using some autoresponder/training system system.

Showing people how they got 100 leads by getting you to find out how they got 100 leads in a day, you just became one of those 100 once you optin. Do you get it now, selling how to get leads, by getting you to see how they get leads by becoming one of their leads. You fell for the snake oil and probably didn't even know it! LOL! Oh, well, now your are savvy to it, and again, always be leery of what people say in this area. End of story. Chaio. HF

as my list grows I get a lot of people that as they start getting my value-packed posts they think that is an invitation to solicit me.

My best advice to you would be to call your leads within 24 hours. They will know from your posture that you are not in a position to be solicited.
Joyce

As always great advice from you Joyce

[Landon Stewart Company: ViSalus Sciences Contribution Level: 3]

Harry, i don't want to hurt your feelings because I'm sure you're a great marketer, however; not a single thing that you just said is even a little bit accurate.

It's obvious that you don't have a list right now because of the way that you're talking about email marketing.

First of all, you said the reason she is getting solicited is because her content is not of quality..?

lol.

I don't know what solicitations and quality have to do with each other. I personally send out quality stuff to my list everyday, yet I get solicited like CRAZY. (It just happens when you have a list).

And then you said she would need a list in the hundreds of thousands to make money..?

I honestly don't even know how to respond to that because it's so wrong.

When I had a list of a thousand I was making about $500 residually. (just a list of 1,000, not 100,000)

On average, I make about 50 cents per month per lead that is on my list. So you don't need hundreds of thousands of leads to make money online, in which I am living proof of that.

Then you started talking about gurus and stuff and I started to get a little lost, so I'll just end it here.

Again, I don't want to offend you, but you're clearly spreading information about list building even though you've never had a list before, and I don't think that's right.

And if you do have a list in the tens of thousands and you STILL aren't making money. Seriously, email me and I'll show you what to do. There's no reason for someone with a list of 10,000+ to not be making money online.

[Harry Fassett Contribution Level: 4]

Well Landon, I don't want to hurt your feeling either, but you can't hurt me verbally or physically for that matter so I'm not worried about it.

Anyway, you said you "HAD" a list of 1k or so and that's pass tense, so what is your list size now, and what are you making on a consistent basis with it? Plus how much money is it taking you to generate the optin leads?

And you say you make a good residual income (let me guess, with MLSP right?), ok what is your residual "net, net" and how much per hour does it break down to, and how sustainable has it been over time (attrition rate), and what has your results been over say since you started email marketing (and yes, you do get a lot of crap, but usually you are attracting them mainly because of the demographic you are targeting.

Because I work with large Co's and they may get some, but not the percentage that guys like you get or most people in the Industry of Network Marketing, as say opposed to other categories in other industries, so I hate to bust your heuvos Landon, but again, depends on the Industry, and category and MLM/Network Marketing or home business opportunities and categories lateral to that just attract a much much higher percentage of bottom dwellers so you are not telling the whole truth, and maybe just not aware outside the MLM/Bizop/ industry, because you probably don't have any experience outside of the BizOp/MLM/Network Marketing realm and it shows.

Anyway, my point Landon, the percentages of bottom dwellers are much much higher in the opportunity seeker/bizop/mlm/work from home Industry and categories that pertain to them than just about any other Industry.

So again, I have experience with both.

Harry, i don't want to hurt your feelings because I'm sure you're a great marketer, however; not a single thing that you just said is even a little bit accurate.

It's obvious that you don't have a list right now because of the way that you're talking about email marketing.

First of all, you said the reason she is getting solicited is because her content is not of quality..?

lol.

I don't know what solicitations and quality have to do with each other. I personally send out quality stuff to my list everyday, yet I get solicited like CRAZY. (It just happens when you have a list).

And then you said she would need a list in the hundreds of thousands to make money..?

I honestly don't even know how to respond to that because it's so wrong.

When I had a list of a thousand I was making about $500 residually. (just a list of 1,000, not 100,000)

On average, I make about 50 cents per month per lead that is on my list. So you don't need hundreds of thousands of leads to make money online, in which I am living proof of that.

Then you started talking about gurus and stuff and I started to get a little lost, so I'll just end it here.

Again, I don't want to offend you, but you're clearly spreading information about list building even though you've never had a list before, and I don't think that's right.

And if you do have a list in the tens of thousands and you STILL aren't making money. Seriously, email me and I'll show you what to do. There's no reason for someone with a list of 10,000+ to not be making money online.

[Harry Fassett Contribution Level: 4]

LOL! I like Willie's method, or you can send them a response like, "You just got a virus! This email just infected your computer!" LOL! All kidding aside, it is just the nature of the beast, or in this case industry at hand.

Don't know if this applies, but in days gone by I would use my "AUTO REPLY" or "Vacation" mode on my email provider to send an immediate reply back to those who send me emails.

I get so much junk email I figured I'd turn the tables.

I don't do this often, but I have made some sales when I used auto reply.

Cold emailing is not for me, though.

Also, on the flip side, I might return an email if I see someone that I could help to become a better marketer.

Admittedly, while some marketer's don't care, some just don't know any better.